We are a group of up to 8 people traveling to San Jose in first week of February. We are planning to travel to following locations - San Fransisco, Yosemite, Los Angeles and Las Vegas over 10 days.
What is the best^ transport option between cities? Bus, plane or rental car? Please factor in weather conditions for first 2 weeks of February.
^ best = reasonable priced and scenic. Time is a constraint to a lesser extent.
You're gonna need a car big enough for 8 people! Or two. Either will be hard to park in SF. On the other hand, 8 fares for transit, train or airline won't be cheap either. That vs the value of 8 peoples' time.
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A "short drive" that soon turns into 2+ hours with commute traffic. You'll spend more time in SF trying to park than actually seeing anything. (2 spots near each other? forget it unless you use expensive garages.)
Take CalTrain. Trains every 30-60 minutes, some are express.
CalTrain requires Proof-of-Payment. You must buy and validate a ticket at the station before you board. A fare inspector might appear and check it.
You can fool around with driving to BART if you really want to, but the closest BART gets to San Jose is Fremont, the drive there is long and very congested, and BART parking is nigh impossible. BART uses stored-value cards exactly like Washington DC Metro. It also supports Clipper.
While in the City proper, use taxi/Uber/Lyft, or the Muni public transit system, which is excellent.** Many drug and liquor stores sell Muni Maps. You pay for Muni one of several ways:
("the City" capitalization was a style of a beloved newspaper columnist named Herb Caen. Many will appreciate the reference.)
Just for reference -- BART does that. Trains every 7-20 minutes, also SFO and OAK airports.
Just for reference -- Amtrak Capitol Corridor does that. 15 trains/day (really), hourly-ish. Also stops at Coliseum for OAK airport. No Clipper.
Drive. Period. There's no other transit.
Prepare for big Sierra snow - heavy, deep and fluffy, unlike the dreary, icy snow of the American east. California does not use road salt because it's a different kind of snow.
So many California drivers have zero experience driving in snow at all, that CalTrans is surprisingly draconian about things like chains. Yes, chains on cars. Welcome to California.
Driving: Seems like a bad idea unless you do a San Jose - Las Vegas - Los Angeles triangle. This is the worst side of the triangle, don't do it twice if you can avoid it. I hate it, and I don't even do the worst part, Pacheco Pass.
It's a circuitous route and a 9 hour drive, barring traffic or snow. There are 3 gigantic "freeway gaps" (Pacheco Pass US-101 to I-5, I-5 to CA-99, and Boron/Kramer Jct) and you'll spend half your time behind a slow truck thinking "I thought freeways were a thing here". There will be risk of snow/ice in Pacheco and Tehachapi passes, and in Nevada... but not the crazy Sierra stuff.
Flying: SJC is a "737 airport". It's made for regional hops, and the flights to LAS are thick and cheap, since it's a huge tourist destination for the natives. Southwest has 9 direct flights, Delta has 3. (warning: Southwest is a great airline but not on the booking sites, deal direct.)
The Las Vegas Strip area is almost walkable, and transit, cabs and Uber etc. are readily available. There's even a monorail (plus 2 more monorails within casinos), most free for any comer.) Casinos do not like under-21 people in the casino proper, but will sometimes turn a blind eye to passersby who are not gambling. The shopping is gigantic.
Just for reference: Flying: plenty of flights. Driving: easy by comparison, 4 hours all freeway. Possible snow in Nevada and Cajon Pass.
Many decent options, no great ones.
Flying: again SJC is the perfect airport, and flights are thick and cheap to LAX, Burbank, John Wayne, Ontario or the utterly charming Long Beach. (Again, as these are largely commuter hops, the big carriers Southwest, Alaska or Jetblue are not on the booking sites). But then you won't have a car, and that's a problem because L.A. is enormous.
The Coast Starlight train is magnificent, a tourist adventure all to itself. But it's rather slow. (and often late, since long trains accumulate delays, and southbound came from Seattle, so if you go one-way, prefer northbound for less delays.) For what it's worth, Amtrak comes into the main transit hub, Union Station. But it's hard for L.A. to have good public transit over such a vast area.
Driving: Again, getting to I-5 is ugly, but then it's all freeway. Risk of weather in Pacheco Pass and the Grapevine. You can also reach I-5 via Altamont Pass instead of Pacheco for a 100% freeway route (I-680 to I-580 to reach I-5) but it is vulnerable to crushing traffic jams.
If you find yourself driving I-5, a great spot to take a break is Harris Ranch at Coalinga. It's about halfway in the SJ-LA run.
You can bypass I-5 ugliness by taking US-101 the whole way, which is all 4-lane, prettier, and maybe 1 hour slower. It may matter where in L.A. you are trying to go. Ask your maps app.
For a really beautiful drive, add 2 more hours and take CA-1 (the Pacific Coast Highway). Route to Monterey then stay on Highway 1 through San Simeon, Lompoc and Malibu.
By the way, this is about those road numbers.
** I mention Muni being excellent, to counteract two stereotypes: first from non-Californians that California is all cars and transit is terrible (not in SF!). And second, from City residents who say Muni is awful; yes it is flawed and underfunded, but it is a world-class transit system that is flawed and underfunded. And it has cable cars!
The only answer to this is: it depends. It depends on so many factors, so I will point out the pros and cons I used for my trip to California.
Keep in mind that California is huge. You're talking about distances that are over a day's trip apart from each other. Perhaps you should take more time for your trip or visit less locations? Each of those locations alone have more than enough to see for 10 days.
Yosemite is (nearly) inaccessible by public transportation. You will need your own transport (or pay for a very expensive taxi) to get there. On top of that Yosemite is huge. I mean, really huge. You may want to explore certain parts on foot or by renting a bike or boat, but the problem is getting there. A rental car seems to be the best idea here. Keep in mind: make sure your rental car is allowed on dirt roads and keep the weather in mind.
On the road between Los Angeles and San Fransisco it depends on what you like. There is a train connection to San Jose and a megabus to San Francisco. Of course, you'll have to stick to the schedule those go on, while driving you'll have much more freedom.
I do not have experience nor have I done research on traveling from California to Las Vegas, but google maps shows the drive from Los Angeles is relatively short, under four hours. There is also a bus going there, which takes around 5 hours. Both would most likely be quicker or about equal time to flying if you count getting to the airport, unless you get stuck in traffic, which is quite likely at certain times.
In general, it all comes down to this:
Which locations do you really want to see (the cities/park or the route there)? And how can you visit these locations you want to see while avoiding driving when you are tired?
With 8 people, I would recommend renting two cars, presuming you have two eligible drivers in the group.
This will give you a lot of flexibility, comfort and storage.
This only "weather" you may experience is light rain in the Bay Area an probably snow in and around Yosemite.
Everywhere you mention is easily, and best, accessible by car.
You'll definitely want to rent a car. I'm from California, we all know public transit in California is a joke. There are trains and buses to take you to major metro areas and they are pretty cheap, but they are very very slow. I once took a Greyhound bus from LA to Salinas (~6 hour drive) and it took over 11 hours. So here's how I see this working for you:
If you're flying in to San Jose, I would recommend spending 1-3 days seeing San Jose, San Francisco, and anything else in the Bay Area that interests you. Driving/parking in SF is a hassle, so you may want to drive to a BART station in East Bay and take the rail into SF.
Yosemite is not too far from the Bay, but as Belle points out, it is very large. You'll want to go see the Yosemite valley (Halfdome, El Capitan, etc), but the whole park is worth a drive, so you'll want want to have a car to see as much as you can. In February it may be a little chilly for camping, but people do camp there all winter (see here).
I would do Vegas next, as it's a shorter drive than all the way to Los Angeles. Like I said: I'm a Californian, so I'm a little biased, but don't see spending too much time in Vegas. But it's south of Yosemite, and only about 4-5 hours from LA, so it's not too far out of your way.
From Vegas, the drive south to Los Angeles will require most of a day. Driving in the desert is pretty quick: things are flat and straight, and there will be very little traffic until you reach the outskirts of LA.
Once you're in Los Angeles, the only option is a rental car. The city of LA and its suburbs are very spread out, so walking is not an option and taxis will add up fast.
Then (and this is my favorite part) take a day to drive the Pacific Coast Highway back north to the Bay, where you can fly home. This is the most scenic drive in California, and one of the most iconic postcard-picture spots in the entire US. You may have to cut this drive out and fly out of LA, but I absolutely adore and highly recommend Big Sur and the drive up the central coast.
In my mind the best way to see what you want in ten days is:
- Fly in to San Jose
- Check out San Jose
- Check out San Fransisco (~1 hour drive)
- Drive out to Yosemite (~4 hour drive)
- Check out Yosemite.
- Drive south to Vegas. (~6 hours)
- Check out Vegas
- Drive west to LA
- Check out LA
- Check out LA and Big Sur, drive north to San Jose to fly home. (~7 hours driving)
My need to move some of the driving days around, depending on what you really want to see.
EDIT: Googling revealed this, which outlines the basic trip you want (just skip the Grand Canyon).
