Timeline for Why do air flight code-shares exist?
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| Oct 16, 2016 at 12:21 | vote | accept | JonathanReez♦ | ||
| Oct 11, 2016 at 4:44 | comment | added | user13044 | @UnrecognizedFallingObject - as I said in my first comment - When dealing with airlines there are exceptions to EVERYTHING. | |
| Oct 11, 2016 at 4:36 | comment | added | UnrecognizedFallingObject | @Tom -- I will agree that the precise nature of a subcontract regional carrier operation (such as Trans States) is debatable (Trans States may or may not be in a position where they could have a flight that was marketed through both AAL and UAL). There are also independent regional operations, however -- Great Lakes Airlines is an example (they have their own ticket stock, and also codeshare with UAL), and these still don't have their own frequent-flyer programs and such. | |
| Oct 11, 2016 at 3:57 | comment | added | user13044 | @UnrecognizedFallingObject - A catchall travel industry terms for this is "white label", where the marketing airline or tour company, subcontract the operation of a travel service to another company. The sub-contracted company operates as if they were staff of the marketing company. My company does quite a bit of this for adventure travel companies. We wear the staff outfit, sign post our vehicles and trip documents with XYZ Tours name. As far as the guests (and the public) is concerned we are XYZ Tours. We are not "code sharing" our tours, we are operating their tours. | |
| Oct 11, 2016 at 3:49 | comment | added | user13044 | @UnrecognizedFallingObject - yes the plane belongs to the subcontrator, while wearing United paint, yes the crew works for the subcontractor while wearing United uniforms, but it is still not a "code share". The fact that they use AX1234 instead of UA1234 as a call sign is simply a technicality, as flight AX1234 does not exist on its own in the public travel window. You can not buy seats on flight AX1234, it does not exist in any booking system. United owns 100% of the seats on that flight. | |
| Oct 11, 2016 at 3:12 | comment | added | UnrecognizedFallingObject | @Tom -- wrong on most points. They carry a UA number for marketing purposes, but also a flight number for the operating carrier (take AX4601/UA4601 for instance), and use the operating carrier's radio callsign -- that'd be "Waterski 4601" on the radio, and use Trans States metal (albeit painted in United Express livery). The flight crew and cabin crew will be Trans States personnel (most likely. I know it's true for SkyWest operated Delta Connection flights as that's the case I've been on), and Trans States is owned by a holding company independent of UAL. | |
| Oct 11, 2016 at 3:00 | comment | added | user13044 | @UnrecognizedFallingObject - The regional feeder flights are not considered code share in any sense of the word. They carry a UA1234 flight number; ATC (Air Traffic Control) tracks the flight as UAL1234 tail number X123YZ; the plane is painted in United colors; the flight crew and ground crew usually wear United uniforms. The contractor operates the flight solely for United. And many regionals are actually owned in full or in part by the major airline they contract for. That said, United may sell seats on those flights to other airlines for them to resell as a code share. | |
| Oct 11, 2016 at 0:32 | comment | added | UnrecognizedFallingObject | @Tom -- well, they're kind of quasi-code-share as they have an IATA flight number from the operating carrier, even if the operating carrier doesn't print ticket stock | |
| Oct 10, 2016 at 12:52 | comment | added | JonathanReez♦ | The marketing part makes sense. Otherwise it can all work in the very same way without having a second visible "partner" code. | |
| Oct 10, 2016 at 11:58 | comment | added | user13044 | @UnrecognizedFallingObject - Those flights aren't "code share", they are UA flights operated by a sub-contractor. "Code Share" is when UA sells some seats on a UA flight to other airlines, who then resell those seats under their name. | |
| Oct 10, 2016 at 11:45 | comment | added | UnrecognizedFallingObject | @Tom -- I suspect that's because many UA code shares are flown by regional carriers which don't run off their own ticket stock, so to speak, so they don't have "native" frequent flyer programs either. | |
| Oct 10, 2016 at 9:21 | comment | added | user13044 | @DCTLib - When dealing with airlines there are exceptions to EVERYTHING. Even your statement, as United awards points the same for their flights as well as UA ticketed code share flights. | |
| Oct 10, 2016 at 8:37 | comment | added | DCTLib | A short note regarding the frequent flyer points: whether your argument holds depends on the airline alliance. Star alliance awards points based on the operating carrier, not the marketing carrier. And even worse: the number of miles credited depends on the mapping between the fare classes of the airlines as well, so it's incredibly complicated to figure that out in that case. So for the Star Alliance, it's quite the opposite. | |
| Oct 10, 2016 at 6:00 | history | answered | user13044 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |