Timeline for How to book a flight if my passport doesn't state my gender?
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| Jun 4, 2017 at 6:39 | comment | added | Andrea Lazzarotto | @ElliotTangoFoxtrot I am neither a psychologist nor I work in academia, I was just saying your suggestion is good. What's the point in laughing out loud to a comment supporting your suggestion more than 6 months after it was left? | |
| Jun 3, 2017 at 23:26 | comment | added | TangoFoxtrot | @AndreaLazzarotto In the real world (outside of psychology and academia), it's just called "guessing". No need for fancy terms like "duck test" lol. | |
| Oct 3, 2016 at 10:45 | answer | added | coteyr | timeline score: 1 | |
| Oct 1, 2016 at 9:46 | comment | added | JonathanReez♦ | @DmitryGrigoryev you won't be thrown to jail, but I can imagine getting stuck for half an hour because the immigration doesn't know what to put into their binary gender computer system. | |
| Sep 30, 2016 at 9:53 | comment | added | Andrea Lazzarotto | @ElliottTangoFoxtrot you are basically suggesting duck typing (based on the duck test) and it makes a lot of sense. It is actually the most straightforward way to determine the gender of people who say they don't have one. | |
| Sep 29, 2016 at 21:46 | comment | added | Malcolm | @Dmitry Grigoryev I second that. I don't see what trouble can be there either as long as there is a valid visa. The tales how gays are hunted down in Russia are absolute nonsense. It is true that people will expect you to keep your sexual orientation personal, but no is going to persecute you simply for being gay. | |
| Sep 29, 2016 at 9:27 | comment | added | Dmitry Grigoryev | @JonathanReez Do you have a reference for this? Sure, there are non-tolerant red-necks and religious zealots of all kinds in Russia, but it's quite unlikely they will meet you at the immigration desk. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 22:38 | comment | added | user428517 | you're overthinking this. the airline won't care. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 19:01 | comment | added | Calchas | @VladimirF Indeed. And it is not always possible to infer the gender from one's title. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 18:49 | vote | accept | kukis | ||
| Sep 28, 2016 at 16:48 | comment | added | Vladimir F Героям слава | People make mistakes in the Mr/Mrs all the time and normally the airlines don§t care. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 15:45 | comment | added | vsz | @CMaster : Border control agents are unlikely to carry out a DNA test to look at what chromosomes you have. But they might get suspicious and cause lots of inconveniences if a traveler looks different than what they would expect based on the gender written in the documents. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 15:41 | answer | added | vsz | timeline score: 16 | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 15:39 | answer | added | Dennis | timeline score: 9 | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 15:08 | comment | added | Chris H - UK | @JamesTrotter without getting into detailed discussion of gender issues, supplying a value for a ticket that doesn't match the supporting documentation is not something to be undertaken lightly. | |
| S Sep 28, 2016 at 14:49 | history | suggested | Pyritie | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 28, 2016 at 14:39 | comment | added | TangoFoxtrot | @CMaster I agree with your latest comment. The airline is not going to perform a karyotype on the traveler so chromosomal sex is moot. Gender at birth is determined by appearance of genitalia, not by chromosomes, but genitalia is also moot as travelers are not asked to drop their pants (usually!). All that matters here is smooth travels. So the OP's friend should put the binary gender that best matches how they are read/perceived by others. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 14:32 | comment | added | CMaster | @JamesTrotter As my above comment to Orangedog says, chromosomal sex and assigned birth gender are not necessarily the same thing. And then there are issues like CHX alludes to. I think the smoothest path is likely to be to select whatever gender the traveller is most likely to be interpreted as, rather than the one they were assigned at birth. A mismatch between stated and interpreted may cause some airline personnel to doubt that the traveller is the one named on the ticket (on the off chance they bother to look) | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 14:31 | answer | added | Berwyn | timeline score: 60 | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 14:29 | comment | added | OrangeDog | @cat let's not get into this now, but that is opinion rather than fact. | |
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| Sep 28, 2016 at 14:28 | comment | added | James T | @CMaster What difference would it make on whether the airline thinks you are male/female/other? Genuine question, I didnt think it would change anything or cause discomfort. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 14:28 | comment | added | cat | @JamesTrotter You speak of biological sex; gender is not physical. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 14:28 | comment | added | CMaster | @OrangeDog Note that even without chromosomal abnormalities, assigned gender at birth can differ from chromosomal sex. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 14:27 | comment | added | James T | @chx I understand such problems exist, but statistically its very unlikely to apply here, as such I feel the advice still stands. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 14:18 | comment | added | OrangeDog | @chx did the OP say they their friend had any chromosomal abnormalities? | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 14:02 | comment | added | user4188 | @JamesTrotter ahem. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome and so forth. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 13:53 | comment | added | CMaster | @JamesTrotter It's not always so simple, nor do I think that is necessarily going to lead to the smoothest journey. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 13:52 | history | protected | RoflcoptrException | ||
| Sep 28, 2016 at 13:33 | comment | added | James T | I'd suggest in such situations your friend opt for their biological gender as determined by their XY/XX chromosomes, as documented at birth. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 13:01 | comment | added | JonathanReez♦ | On an unrelated note, I'd like to point out that Russia doesn't really like 'nontraditional' people and you might face bigger issues at Russian immigration rather than the airline itself. | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 12:59 | answer | added | JonathanReez♦ | timeline score: 87 | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 12:28 | answer | added | DTRT | timeline score: 29 | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 11:13 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackTravel/status/781089332593561600 | ||
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| Sep 28, 2016 at 11:07 | history | edited | kukis | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 28, 2016 at 11:02 | answer | added | Fiksdal | timeline score: 78 | |
| Sep 28, 2016 at 10:54 | history | edited | JonathanReez♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 28, 2016 at 10:49 | history | asked | kukis | CC BY-SA 3.0 |