Timeline for Are German festivals safe for foreigners?
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| Jun 10, 2016 at 19:04 | vote | accept | hownowbrowncow | ||
| Jun 9, 2016 at 9:17 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackTravel/status/740835153115807744 | ||
| Jun 5, 2016 at 13:07 | comment | added | Mark Mayo | Please take discussions to the Travel Chat, guys. | |
| Jun 5, 2016 at 8:03 | comment | added | Alexander | Obviously, German festivals aren't safe for foreigners, assuming they are just as prone to lightning strikes as Germans. | |
| Jun 4, 2016 at 22:08 | comment | added | O. R. Mapper | ... back. Furthermore, as each of the paragraphs in that article ends with some examples of what actions would be covered by the respective definition of misdemeanour, I would like to quote the ones provided for this latter point: "Touching of genitals, undressing (of private parts), strong sexual pushiness, forced kiss". This seems to directly contradict your quotation. Now, I am not a legal professional, each case has to be evaluated individually, and verdicts do not always match common sense. Yet, I'd rather trust a forum of law professionals than a slightly sensationalist foreign blogpost. | |
| Jun 4, 2016 at 22:00 | comment | added | O. R. Mapper | @QuoraFeans: As can be read in the Skeptics SE question linked above, this is not the whole truth. If you understand German, I recommend to read, for instance, this informative article. Among other things, it explains that the legally crucial factors do not include consent as such (which cannot be proven in a trial, anyway), but instead more verifiable, but case-specific factors such as the lack of possibilities to escape (which might well apply in a crowded public space); in general, factors that might stop the victim from fighting ... | |
| Jun 4, 2016 at 21:03 | comment | added | Quora Feans | @O.R.Mapper: I wish you were right. Coercion can only construed as such if the victim is fighting to get rid of the attacker. There is a big difference here from other European countries. "In Germany, it’s perfectly legal to kiss someone without her consent, grab her breasts, or fondle her genitals in a public space as long as she doesn’t fight back." | |
| Jun 4, 2016 at 19:23 | comment | added | O. R. Mapper | @QuoraFeans: "lack of any language about consent in the law" - the law linked above explicitly says "nötigt (...) zu dulden", i.e. "coerces to accept/endure (...)". These words already imply a lack of consent (or, in other words, there is no real semantic difference between "to coerce someone to do something" and "to coerce someone to do something against their will"). And if that is not convincing enough, the word Nötigung is indeed a set legal term whose definition explicitly includes "against the victim's choice/intention". | |
| Jun 4, 2016 at 18:57 | comment | added | Quora Feans | @O.R.Mapper: reasonable doubt is irrelevant here. Even if the facts are known and proven right: saying no is not enough. Given the importance placed on violence and the lack of any language about consent in the law, simply saying “no” to a sex act is not enough to class it as a rape in the eyes of judges. | |
| Jun 4, 2016 at 18:13 | comment | added | O. R. Mapper | @QuoraFeans: Practice in court rulings is the principle "innocent until proven guilty". If there is conclusive evidence of saying no, saying no is enough, otherwise, it isn't. | |
| Jun 4, 2016 at 13:05 | comment | added | Quora Feans | @boot4life: I am pretty sure it's so scary as it looks, even if there are recent talks about changing it. Practice in court rulings is that it is required that the offender must overcome physical resistance, if the victim is conscious. Saying no is not enough. | |
| Jun 4, 2016 at 12:02 | comment | added | boot4life | @QuoraFeans I'm pretty sure that's not how the German law works. No means no and screaming means no in the sense of the law. dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/177.html 1.1 means if she felt threatened it's rape. | |
| Jun 4, 2016 at 11:58 | comment | added | boot4life | The press reports incidents that are new and rare. Otherwise, they would not be news. | |
| Jun 4, 2016 at 9:14 | comment | added | Insane | @QuoraFeans So maybe the comment wasn't so ridiculous after all.. | |
| Jun 4, 2016 at 3:57 | history | edited | Golden Cuy |
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| Jun 4, 2016 at 3:33 | comment | added | Golden Cuy | "Old Germans" have a backwards attitude towards women, such as Henriette Reker, Mayor of Cologne, and Martin Thalhammer, the headmaster at Wilhelm-Diess-Gymnasium, a school in Pocking, Bavaria. | |
| Jun 4, 2016 at 2:49 | comment | added | Golden Cuy | @QuoraFeans related question on Skeptics.SE: skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/32202/… | |
| Jun 3, 2016 at 22:00 | history | protected | mindcorrosive | ||
| Jun 3, 2016 at 21:48 | comment | added | Quora Feans | Remember that Germany has a very limited definition of rape: In Germany, no means yes. Many rape cases do not get computed. | |
| Jun 3, 2016 at 20:31 | comment | added | o.m. | @hownowbrowncow, that is certainly not the "new normal." Some refugee groups contain an over-average number of young adult males. When the statistics are corrected for age and gender, you get a more balanced picture -- which does include German and non-German organized crime. Remember that Cologne was mostly about mass robbery. | |
| Jun 3, 2016 at 17:46 | answer | added | Jan | timeline score: 40 | |
| Jun 3, 2016 at 17:38 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Jun 3, 2016 at 17:10 | answer | added | o.m. | timeline score: 32 | |
| Jun 3, 2016 at 17:04 | answer | added | npst | timeline score: 8 | |
| Jun 3, 2016 at 16:56 | comment | added | user27308 |
I guess a better question could be, is it worth the risk to you?
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| Jun 3, 2016 at 16:54 | history | edited | Zach Lipton | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
remove editorializing about cultures
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| Jun 3, 2016 at 16:42 | comment | added | user19361 | Your claim that sexual assault is a part of German culture is ridiculous. It's regarded as a very serious crime just like in any other country. | |
| S Jun 3, 2016 at 16:31 | history | suggested | 200_success | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jun 3, 2016 at 16:00 | answer | added | Denis de Bernardy | timeline score: 5 | |
| Jun 3, 2016 at 15:52 | comment | added | simbabque | Is this also about music festivals like Wacken, or mainly tourist-attraction festivals where you can just go without buying a ticket? | |
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| Jun 3, 2016 at 14:40 | history | asked | hownowbrowncow | CC BY-SA 3.0 |