Timeline for What is the reason for Germany having D as country identifier on MRTDs?
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| Oct 14 at 5:29 | comment | added | JonathanReez♦ | Neither ISO nor ICAO list 'reasons' in their official documents, they just fulfill whatever requests arrive to them from governments blindly, at least as per publicly available documentation. So you'd have to request archives from the German government from the 1980s to get your answer, would likely cost hundreds if not thousands of euros for paying an archivist, unless you're willing to travel to an archive yourself and look through thousands of documents yourself. | |
| Oct 14 at 3:43 | comment | added | Jasper Habicht | @JonathanReez Thanks. I meant the document which may contain some insights about the reasons as well. | |
| Oct 13 at 21:37 | comment | added | JonathanReez♦ | @JasperHabicht all the historical ISO codes are listed here. | |
| Oct 13 at 4:52 | answer | added | JonathanReez♦ | timeline score: 5 | |
| Aug 5 at 15:47 | comment | added | Jasper Habicht | @Inconspicuousseagull Do you have access to the first edition of ISO-3316? Is it accessible somewhere? | |
| Aug 5 at 12:53 | comment | added | Inconspicuous seagull | I don't think the GDR using the abbreviation BRD had something to do with the Bundestag deciding to use a "D", as the ISO-3316 code for the FRG has been "DEU" since the first edition of ISO-3316 in 1974. | |
| Aug 4 at 4:26 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | A combitänation of: a) 'D' was the most commonly used abbreviation ; b) Around 1973, East Germany (DDR) started to use 'BRD' as an abbreviation for the Federal Republic of Germany (replacing the 'DBR', for Deutsche Bundesrepublik, that was sometimes used by them until then), despite the fact that since July 1965 the guideline existed that only 'Germany' should be used when the full name is not being used. Die Diskussion um den Gebrauch der Abkürzung 'BRD' | |
| Aug 3 at 20:55 | comment | added | Jasper Habicht | @MarkJohnson This might be true. Still, I wonder why Germany did not follow this recommendation. | |
| Aug 3 at 19:15 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | As the 'FOREWORD' (in ICAO Doc 9303 volume 1) states, the are recommendations. Just as with the Passport Conferences of the 1920's not all countries followed these recommendations. Just as the recommended maximum validity of a passport was not followed by all countries, the suggested abbreviation of a country was not always accepted by that country. Countries were not required to give a reason, but only to inform the others what they would do/use instead. | |
| Aug 1 at 15:06 | comment | added | Jasper Habicht | @Inconspicuousseagull Thank you, I also wondered about such historical circumstances. If DEU was the code for the Federal Republic before 1989 already, this would perfectly male sense! | |
| Aug 1 at 13:14 | comment | added | Inconspicuous seagull | @jcaron: a possible reason might have been that the German parliament intended the passport to be available to all Germans as defined by the Grundgesetz, which back included all citizens of both the FRG (ISO code DEU) and the GDR (ISO code DDR). Requesting a "D" as a common denominator could've been an attempt to emphasize this intention. This is just a hypothesis though. | |
| Aug 1 at 10:36 | history | edited | phoog | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 1 at 9:28 | comment | added | jcaron | platform.keesingtechnologies.com/the-story-of-standardisation says it was a request from Germany but does not give more info about the reason for it. | |
| Aug 1 at 6:11 | history | edited | Jasper Habicht | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| S Aug 1 at 5:29 | history | asked | Jasper Habicht | CC BY-SA 4.0 |