Timeline for For the Single Entry Schengen visa, do the microstates (Monaco, San Marino and the Vatican City) count?
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| Oct 16, 2019 at 15:38 | comment | added | phoog | @StewieGriffin Mark Johnson's comment explains his omission: his source for the Schengen Borders Code is obsolete. The latest consolidated version, now over two years old, reads "On entry and on exit, persons enjoying the right of free movement under Union law shall be subject to the following checks:...." | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 14:55 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | @StewieGriffin phoog forgot (for some strange reason) to add the However, on a non-systematic basis,... border guards may consult... part of paragraph 3 of Article 8 (2) Border Code (minimum check) mentioned in the answer. | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 14:44 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | @phoog That depends on the local laws. In the older times, crossing mountain paths between austria and germany was allowed. On the land border between france and germany it was allowed where a passport was not needed. For citizens that required a passport, France did not allow the use of the green border crossings (passports were checked in hotels for the entry stamp andvrepoted to the Gedarmarie if missing). In the end you are required to obey the law, if you don't you will be held responsible. What happend to th UK citizens at the Canadian/US proves the case. | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 14:17 | comment | added | phoog | @MarkJohnson "but that does not make it legal": what is someone who needs a stamp to do if the border crossing is neither closed nor attended? I once crossed from Italy to Switzerland (not yet a member of the Schengen area) very early in the morning in order to catch a flight in Zurich. There were no officers in the booth. Was I supposed to wait until they arrived? It sounds like Andorra leaves its border posts unattended even in the middle of the day. What does one do in that case? | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 14:10 | comment | added | phoog | @StewieGriffin EU citizens and nationals of Schengen-area countries all enjoy a right of free movement in both the Schengen area and the EU. In contrast to Mark Johnson's comment, when crossing a controlled border they are subject to more than just a check of citizenship: there is also verification of the person's identity and of the validity and authenticity of the travel document, and there are database lookups to determine whether the person is a threat to "public policy, internal security, public health or international relations." But they don't get a stamp. | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 10:58 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | @phoog "How does one reconcile these facts?" I will probably be considered a proportionate responce to the given situation. Proportionate is a word often used in rthe Border Code, just as pragmatic is used in the 2012 document. Both words may not be often used in law, but may be the exception that proves the rule. | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 10:26 | comment | added | fedorqui | @MarkJohnson absolutely! Just sharing the experience on crossing by car and having the feeling that it is like entering into any Schengen area country. But yes, from the legal aspect it is good that your answer states the facts which is that a multiple entry visa is required. | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 10:19 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | @fedorqui that may be true, but it does not change the fact that it a legal requirement. Peaple are not always fined for crossing a pedestrian red light but that does not make it legal. | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 10:11 | comment | added | fedorqui | Most note that entering to Andorra is quite fluid from either France or Spain and it is very, very rare to have you show your passport. | |
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| Oct 16, 2019 at 9:23 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | @StewieGriffin For European Union citizens there is only a check of Citizenship, thus no 'Immigration' enter/exit stamp. To be precise : for persons enjoying the right of free movement under Union | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 7:26 | comment | added | Stewie Griffin | Is the first sentence "non European Union citizens" or "non Schengen member citizens"? Also, is this true for all European Union countries that are not Schengen members (I know it's true for the UK). | |
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| Oct 16, 2019 at 3:23 | history | edited | Mark Johnson | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 16, 2019 at 3:10 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | @phoog Since the days are counted based appon entry/exit stamps, that won't be given, they have not left officialy. This is part of the pragmatic approach meantioned in the 2012 document. | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 3:04 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | @phoog The present status is the 2012 link that I have just added. | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 3:04 | comment | added | phoog | In any event, this recitation of facts does not answer the question. For example, Vatican is outside Schengen, but there's no border control. This leaves me wondering whether a visit to Vatican city would count for the purpose of a single-entry visa, which was the original question. | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 3:01 | comment | added | phoog | Being part of a customs area is irrelevant to immigration controls; just look at the UK and Ireland for example: both are also part of the same customs area as France. I imagine that there is some explicit provision concerning micro states in the immigration control laws, either of the EU or of the national law of the EU member states whose territory encloses them, but I have not been able to find it. | |
| Oct 16, 2019 at 2:58 | history | edited | Mark Johnson | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 16, 2019 at 2:53 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | @phoog Monaco is part of the French Custom area. And Italy, since WW2, performs no passport controls for the other 2. The EU Members had desided that the Micro states should not be members to keep the number of members lower and everyday things less complicated. | |
| Oct 15, 2019 at 21:43 | comment | added | phoog | "For almost all non European Union citizens, an entry or exit stamp is mandatory upon crossing the external Schengen border": yet there are no facilities whatsoever to provide these stamps for people going to Monaco, San Marino, or the Vatican. Yet these borders fall under the definition of "external border" in the Schengen codes. How does one reconcile these facts? | |
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| Oct 15, 2019 at 19:56 | history | answered | Mark Johnson | CC BY-SA 4.0 |