Timeline for Why isn't there a direct train from JFK to Manhattan?
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| May 8, 2019 at 2:47 | comment | added | Andrew Lazarus | BART also has a significant surcharge for travel to/from SFO (and, latterly, OAK), but it's folded into the fare and isn't as obvious. | |
| Jun 28, 2018 at 2:27 | vote | accept | JonathanReez♦ | ||
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| May 30, 2018 at 7:46 | comment | added | phoog | @smci or you could follow the example in Philadelphia, where the suburban commuter rail line that serves the airport has four stations in the airport: Terminal A, Terminal B, Terminals C and D, and Terminals E and F. | |
| May 20, 2018 at 3:49 | comment | added | smci | "You can't make the trains stop somewhere that is convenient for all the terminals". Yes you can! In the middle of all the terminals, with moving walkways from that hub to the terminals, like in Miami airport, which serves nearly as many passengers. The only reason you can't have a transit hub in the middle of JFK is because the center is the Van Wyck Expressway cloverleaf, which was built in 1950. So JFK is what you get when you design an airport built around a freeway intersection. (Admittedly JFK walkways would have work reliably in the bad weather, but that's a solvable problem) | |
| May 20, 2018 at 0:42 | comment | added | MSalters | I'm not that convinced by "JFK is too low for tunnels underneath". Amsterdam Schiphol Airport is below sealevel, and still has a big train tunnel underneath it. | |
| May 19, 2018 at 22:57 | comment | added | Ivan X | The trick is taking LIRR, rather than subway, from Jamaica station. It costs $7.50 more, but the trains leave more frequently, have less of a hike to the platform (I hate the subway elevator), and quickly get you into Manhattan, non-stop. The subway can take forever, especially if making local stops. From Penn Station I take a taxi (or possibly a subway if it makes more sense). Going to the airport is fluid, about 35 minutes from Penn Station to security. Sure, not as good as other cities, but it's ok, and better than no AirTrain, which is what we used to have not long ago. | |
| May 19, 2018 at 20:56 | comment | added | phoog | @JonathanReez Howard Beach is already served by only half of the A trains, so outside rush hours that is one train every 20 minutes. | |
| May 19, 2018 at 20:53 | comment | added | hmakholm left over Monica | @JonathanReez: Apart from those trains needing to be taken from the Rockaway branch, it would be a huge problem of geometry to get them to reach all of the terminals. They need much longer platforms than a peoplemover, and the platforms have to on fairly straight bits of track (otherwise you end up with dangerous gaps between the train doors and the platform), and even outside of platforms heavy rail needs larger curve radii than a peoplemover. If it can even be done we'd be looking at massive construction and disruption to existing infrastructure compared to a peoplemover circulator. | |
| May 19, 2018 at 20:08 | comment | added | JonathanReez♦ | But couldn't some of the A line trains terminate at JFK, serving all the terminals along the way? That's how it works in many other systems. | |
| May 19, 2018 at 19:21 | comment | added | Zach Lipton | +1 I'd say that JFK AirTrain is significantly more obnoxious to use than SFO or CDG, given its slow speed, the distance you have to travel to reach Jamaica, and the damn $5 exit fee. At SFO, you can walk to BART fairly quickly from the international terminal and T3, and CDGVAL is both free and doesn't go five miles off the airport property. | |
| May 19, 2018 at 16:50 | history | edited | hmakholm left over Monica | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 19, 2018 at 16:21 | history | answered | hmakholm left over Monica | CC BY-SA 4.0 |