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I am a British citizen and my fiance is American. Last year he got deported and a 2 year ban from entering the UK.
This is because we stayed in Dublin for 3 months, then the UK for just over 3 months. We thought that we were doing nothing wrong as the maximum amount of time you can stay in the UK as a visitor is 6 months. But because Dublin and UK are a common travel area they told us that the 3 months in Dublin counted towards the UK stay.

I want to meet up with him in Amsterdam, however, many of the flights have a transfer in Dublin. I was wondering if the UK ban would apply to Dublin, seeing as we stayed there initially which is what triggered the UK ban.
Would they turn him away when he arrives there? Are there exceptions if its a flight transfer/layover?

  • Thanks for the help. The ticket has already been purchased, now I am really afraid. Should we request a refund, It was bought less than 24 hours ago.. – Steph Jordan Apr 20 '17 at 13:17
  • I'd be very surprised if you couldn't find an affordable flight direct to Schiphol or even a transfer through a Schengen airport. – ratchet freak Apr 20 '17 at 15:02
  • From America to Amsterdam is around £1200 average... Not really affordable, and thats with 2 stops.. – Steph Jordan Apr 20 '17 at 15:51
  • NYC to Amsterdam direct flight can be as cheap as £650 depending on the time and date. Guess it depends on where in America he's departing from. – mercurial Apr 20 '17 at 18:17
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A reentry ban issued by the UK does not affect movement in or through the Republic of Ireland in a strict legal sense. Ireland is a different country and hence outside the UK's sovereignty. So whatever happens falls to the Garda Síochána to decide.

Having said that there's an open data sharing between the UK and the ROI (and by proxy the USA). And the Garda may decide that your fiance's UK ban makes passing through the ROI an unacceptable absconding risk.

Your fiance has noticed that flights passing through the Republic are generally cheaper.

Would they turn him away when he arrives there?

This is unlikely. A more likely scenario is where your fiance is flagged up in the Advanced Passenger Information scheme and he will be unable to board the aircraft. This would not be from the ban itself, but as explained there's a high absconding risk which the Garda may decide is unacceptable.

Are there exceptions if its a flight transfer/layover?

There are no exceptions of any help to your fiance. However nothing prevents your fiance from applying to the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service for a transit visa. Doing so avoids the chances of wasted airfares and the distress of a denied boarding.

Please help! Thanks

Given that a ban is in effect within the EEA, your fiance should absolutely apply for a Schengen Short Stay Visa (Netherlands variant) before leaving. Alternatively you may wish to effect a rendez-vous in the US.


Note: User Calchas (to whom thanks) strengthens this answer by providing a relevant entry from the Travel Information Manual Automatic (TIMATIC)...

"Additional Information: - Visitors holding passports containing a British inadmissible stamp could be refused entry."

Note that the language uses modal verbs which means the Garda have the option, but not the obligation, to refuse entry (or boarding permission). So it is my own conclusion that they will refuse, even though the ban was issued in a different country.

The source for this quote is pay walled and cannot be accessed. A comparable substitute is here.


An observation from Crazydre (to whom a tip of the hat) that Schengen visas are not available to Americans...

You cannot get a Schengen short-stay visa as a visa-free national

...prompted an email enquiry to Elspeth Guild (who teaches the course on Schengen visas and a personal acquaintance for over a decade), and she replied...

...in practice US nationals do sometimes apply for Schengen visas and the applications are processed in the same was as if they were visa nationals. Does this help?

So the information that has been previously vectored on the net is likely misconceived or confused or outright wrong. It's a problem with visas and the internet in general. Visas are an emotive topic and it's actually a challenge to get to the bottom of things because people vector incomplete or inaccurate information. Don't use the net when something's important.

  • Do you have a source that the subject of a UK ban needs a Schengen visa? I believe you, and certainly understand the possibility of rejection at the Schengen border, but it's the first time I've seen it stated like that, and am curious if there are any references? – Zach Lipton Apr 20 '17 at 9:41
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    @ZachLipton there is no explicit reference stating that a Schengen is required. Since the fiance is American, the standard visa-on-arrival principle applies so legally end of story. However, movement within the EEA when there's a reentry ban in effect is adventurous to the extreme, hence my emphatic wording. – Gayot Fow Apr 20 '17 at 9:47
  • Thanks for the help. The ticket has already been purchased, now I am really afraid. Should we request a refund, It was bought less than 24 hours ago.. – Steph Jordan Apr 20 '17 at 13:23
  • Don't use the net? That's crazy. Don't use any old site and go to reputable sites like a given nations visa department website. – user59310 May 5 '17 at 11:05
  • @KeithLoughnane If the prohibition against issuing visas were real, it would be on the EU regulations site, otherwise a person cannot disprove a negative. – Gayot Fow May 10 '17 at 19:28

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