My mom and dad were refused under paragraph V3.6a, but at the end it says that any future application may also be refused under paragraph V3.7 (a) or (b) of the Immigration Rules, which leads to automatic refusal for ten years.

Have my mom and dad been banned from coming to the UK for ten years?

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    Why did their application not mention their son? Is the refusal notice correct that they withheld this information? Commented Dec 30, 2016 at 21:42
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    That does not read to me that they have triggered a 10 year ban, but a warning that future refusals might trigger one. Leaving out inconvenient facts that they can easily find out does not work very well when dealing with western governments! Commented Dec 30, 2016 at 21:51
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    We strongly recommend that you blank out personal information, such as name and date of birth, when you upload copies of letters like this. Commented Dec 30, 2016 at 21:53

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v 3.6 (a) reads:

An application will be refused where... false representations have been made or false documents or information have been submitted (whether or not material to the application, and whether or not to the applicant’s knowledge)

This is extremely damaging to the chances of any further UK visa application being granted for the applicants.

However it is not (yet) a ban and a further application may be made.

What mention of the ten year ban warns about is in your case primarily V 3.7 (a) (the (b) part is for those who made it into the UK):

An application, except an application for an extension of stay as a visitor, will be refused if ... the applicant previously breached UK immigration laws as described at V 3.9

and your parents have breached V 3.9 where (d) thereof is:

if deception was used in relation to an application or documents used in support of an application (whether successful or not).

However, note the underlined may in your letter. A second refusal is not guaranteed to trigger V 3.7 (a) - it might even be granted - just that the ECO might choose to refuse for such a reason and it is that that would trigger the automatic ban.

Put another way, your parents have a second chance but if they screw that up too then they may not get to see UK ever/again.

Given the mess they made the first time and what is as stake, an expert might advise that any future application is handled by a reputable UK Immigration lawyer.

So the answer to your question is NO (at least, not yet).


A ban is never inferred and never stated in ambiguous terms. It is an outright statement that includes both the relevant rule and an explicit end date. The statement is taken from one of the formulae in their manual where they select the appropriate one and then fill in the particulars.

Here's an example...

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This example contains an outright statement, yours does not.

Accordingly, another application in the near-term is foreseeable, but invites peril. It needs to convincingly address the issue in a way that makes it clear there was no intent. A lame excuse or blame shifting or anything that relies on your personal credibility like an attestation will be useless and you will lose.

In your case the ECO has fairly and transparently pre-loaded his rebuttal (see "...were not an innocent mistake..."). It is especially charged because your relative made an application outside the rules (that's a very bad thing) and you did not disclose that your son is in the UK (that's an egregiously bad thing). It means you are in the zone where internet dialog (on this site or any other site) is of no further use and the matter should be placed in the hands of a specialist with a practice area in deception; as mentioned above, to do otherwise invites peril.

  • thank you all for your comment under my post. Im not sure if i've got my answer yet as I'm seeing mixture of opinion here but is there any way i can find out for sure if they've got banned?
    – user55408
    Commented Dec 31, 2016 at 22:18
  • so do you guys suggest there will be no chance of applying again for a family visitor visa as this ban is definite ?? @GayotFow
    – user55408
    Commented Dec 31, 2016 at 22:33
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    @user55408 there is no 'mixture of opinion', none. False hopes may be unbalancing your perception. I have edited this wiki answer, see the update.
    – Gayot Fow
    Commented Dec 31, 2016 at 23:09
  • What does applying 'outside the rules' mean in this case?
    – JonathanReez
    Commented Jan 1, 2017 at 20:26
  • if you were in my parent situation, would you go ahead for further visa application after couple of months??and can i also ask why is it bad to make an application outside of the immigration rules??does it mean the case is unlikely to win?? @GayotFow
    – user55408
    Commented Jan 2, 2017 at 13:06

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