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I am Pakistani citizen female doctor residing in Saudi Arabia with my Husband. I had applied for Business visit visa ((PLAB/OSCE TEST) to take MRCP PACES (Medical Post Graduate Diploma) exam in the UK on 02/10/15. Intended duration of visa was of 6 weeks where I showed intention of sight seeing after taking exam. Also, during my stay, I was planning to stay at my aunts so I attached her support letter (for accommodation only) along with her passport copy and house bills. I was to be financially supported by my husband during this trip as I am currently unemployed and attached his Bank statement, employer's letter and affidavit. He decided not to accompany me for the trip in order for me to have compelling reason to return to KSA. He had mentioned in the affidavit that he got recently a deposit from his employer as a compensation for vacation salary. But, I got rejected first time due to not providing provenience of funds other than monthly salary (Attached letter)

After rejection, I requested the MRCP exam controller to postpone my exam in November 2015 in order to have time to reapply for the visa. I reapplied and attached an explanation letter from my husband explaining the origins of all the deposits other than salary. He also attached all the evidences to support his claims. Also, this time my husband provided a letter from employer explaining about the vacation salary (Largest deposit). Yesterday, I got rejection again and this time the reason was that the exam is available regionally and I had to provide evidence that I applied before applying for the UK. Also, they said that I didn't attach IELTS result despite of the fact that I included the copy of IELTS* (8 band each). Point to be noted is that the visa officer was different this time and he/she didn't comment on the previous issues of providence of funds so I assume he/she is satisfied with the provided explanation/evidences.

Now, I would like to apply for the third time as I still have time provided I apply on priority basis (I applied both time on priority service). I can provide them the evidence that I applied for regional exam back in June 2015 but was not selected due to the limited seats and can reattach the IELTS, original this time.

An interesting point to mention here is that it is not mandatory first to apply regionally and apply in UK only in case of rejection. 3 of my study partners has got their visa in first attempt (from Pakistan) even though they didn't try regionally first. But, I know that each case is assessed on individual basis and we can't compare. Also, as per MRCP website, IELTS is not mandatory. It is mentioned on the website

As all assessments are conducted in English, the Royal Colleges of Physicians advise candidates that in order to be sufficiently prepared to sit the MRCP(UK) Diploma, their English language ability should be equivalent to International English Language Testing System (IELTS) Level 7.5.

However, candidates do not need to have taken IELTS or any other language examination, to sit the MRCP(UK) Diploma.

Interestingly, visa officer skipped the last part. Anyhow, I got 8 in IELTS and also attached, I don't know how they missed it.

So, I would appreciate if you can advise the following.

  1. Is it wise to reapply for third time by providing the required evidence. A friend of mine told me that it is useless as their comments are baseless and they simply don't want to issue me the visa. I don't think that could be the case, right?

  2. I know I will look desperate applying third time in the row. But, I would like to mention that my desperation is because I am studying for 8-10 hours daily for the past 3 months to prepare for the exam. Exam fee GBP 650 is non refundable and if I take this exam regionally, it would cost me same if not more because exam fee is double in international centers. Also, taking MRCP at international centers is difficult because of preference for local candidates.

  3. I am shortening my visit this time to just 1 week as I am no longer interested in sight seeing. Would that be a problem.

  4. I checked there is an option for lodging complaint. Is it advisable?

  5. Why didn't the visa officer mention the second refusal comments in first refusal letter so that I could have tried to satisfy him in one go. I am afraid that he/she will now come up with some new comments. Isn't it unfair?

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  • Man! You are desperate to (visit) the UK! I wish you all the best – Ulkoma Oct 17 '15 at 3:14
  • Thank you for the comment. Dont you think it is justifiable considering the amount of hard work I've put to prepare for the exam?. It would be such a shame if I wont be able to take the exam just because of the visa issue. Anyhow, life is full of surprises. Lets hope for the best. – Soni Oct 17 '15 at 5:07
  • hi soni just wondering if you were eventually granted a visa as i am in a similar situation. Thanks – user37429 Nov 23 '15 at 11:33
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You have applied for entry clearance twice and have been refused both times. Your refusal notices are very helpful in composing an answer...

1- Is it wise to reapply for third time by providing the required evidence. A friend of mine told me that it is useless as their comments are baseless and they simply dont want to issue me the visa. I dont think that could be the case, Right?

No, it is not wise to make a fresh application at this time without supervision. After two back-to-back refusals, it should be clear that your situation is not going to be improved by using the internet for visa advice or consulting with friends.

Your assumption that they do not want to issue you a visa is wrong. They will issue your visa when you qualify. We have about 30+ refusal notices in our archives here and not one of them indicates a whimsical or prejudiced refusal on the ECO's part. To the contrary, all of them were predictable beforehand and well grounded in the rules.

2- I know I will look desperate applying third time in the row. But, i would like to mention that my desperation is because I am studying for 8-10 hours daily for the past 3 months to prepare for the exam. Exam fee GBP 650 is non refundable and if I take this exam regionally, it would cost me same if not more because exam fee is double in international centers. Also, taking MRCP at international centers is difficult because of preference for local candidates.

This isn't really a question, but yes, applying for a third time without supervision is adventurous because (apparently) you do not understand how to make a successful application. But worse, if they see that you are doing the same thing over and over, you may attract a ban under Paragraph 320 (making frivolous applications). That's a bad thing.

3- I am shortening my visit this time to just 1 week as I am no longer interested in sight seeing. Would that be a problem.

This isn't going to work. Your refusal notice points out that they got you on V 4.2 (a) and (c). It means they think you are not transparent about your intentions and that you will abscond and go underground. If that's your strategy, you only need a visa that lasts for 1 minute! Just to clear controls at the airport and then disappear. So changing the length of your proposed visit to a shorter period is something that will not make them think you are being more genuine. Your proposed length of stay is irrelevant at this point.

4- I checked there is an option for lodging complaint. Is it advisable?

You can complain to them if you think it's justified. They take complaints very seriously because they know the system is fragile and can break sometimes. To help make the complaint resolution easier, they have segregated the complaints team from the ECO's so that one never knows what the other is doing. They do this to avoid any suggestion that the applicant might be vulnerable to bureaucratic vengeance. And there has been no viable reports of bureaucratic vengeance in at least 18 years. But, the 'double edge' is that it will not get you to the UK until you qualify with a proper application. If they decide that the ECO's decision was low quality they tell the ECM to watch him/her more carefully. If you have a really good complaint, they will credit your account with a gratis application (i.e., you don't have to pay the 83 pounds fee), but that happens less than 100 times a year globally.

5- Why didnt the visa officer mention the second refusal comments in first refusal letter so that I could have tried to satisfy him in one go. I am afraid that he/she will now come up with some new comments. Isnt it unfair?

When the ECO starts to examine the evidence, he/she will stop when it becomes clear that an applicant does not qualify and seeing more evidence is a waste of time. This is because their quota provides only about 4 minutes per applicant and they need to move on to the next applicant. Sometimes applicants get upset when their refusal notice indicates that the ECO "ignored" their stuff, but these people are missing the point. So to answer your question, the first refusal didn't address every possible thing you should have done, that's what a solicitor does. And their role is not to give you legal advice, all they do is approve or refuse and pass it to the correspondence person. Maybe this is unfair, but they will point to their statistics showing 90+% of applications are successful, so the majority of people are satisfied.

6- Any other useful advises.

I would not submit another application by yourself; it's clear that using the internet and friends does not work for you. The best course of action (IMHO) is to instruct a solicitor of fairly high standing with a practice specialty in MRCP examinations and entry clearance refusals (Pat Saini and Sophie Barrett-Brown being prime examples). My best guess at getting a UK solicitor to unsnarl this and get you in to the UK for your examination would run about GBP 3,500 - 4,000, but considering that you have back-to-back refusals along with weak personal circumstances, and a borderline premise in the first instance, that's not an unreasonable estimate. On the bright side, if they look at your stuff and decide that they can not help you succeed, they will not take you under client care so you don't have to spend the money.

  • Dear Gayot, I cant thank you enough for your detailed answer. I can opt for the option of seeking supervision but unfortunatly I dont have ample time. My exam is on 2nd of Nov and I have to lodge the application maximum by coming Monday on priority basis in order to get the visa in time. But, my question is that, as visa officer has clearly asked for the evidence if I had applied for the same exam regionally and IELTS. Cant I just provide them in the next application. That should satisfy them, I guess. Now, considering my situation, would you please care to provide me any suggestions.Thank You – Soni Oct 16 '15 at 18:56
  • @Soni No, I do not think those things will save your application and it's wise at this point to defer your examination until you have an entry clearance. And also no, I wouldn't provide more suggestions because I already gave my best answer. So it needs to stand AS IS. Sorry. About thanks... Please read stackoverflow.com/help/someone-answers – Gayot Fow Oct 16 '15 at 19:02
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    Gayot, fine answer as usual, only one nitpick... re-read your final sentence. The double...err triple... err quadruple negative is hurting my brain. :) – CGCampbell Oct 16 '15 at 19:15
  • @CGCampbell, thanks for that! Probably the medication :) If you spot any more composition errors, please shout it out! – Gayot Fow Oct 16 '15 at 19:18
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    @Soni, honestly, these are different questions. Please follow the site format. I cannot keep going on and on in comments, it is not fair to the other users. – Gayot Fow Oct 18 '15 at 15:08
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I am not a UK citizen, however my advice would be to do another application, possibly with the help of others. Like you said, they ignored some included documents and next time they might actually pay attention. Perhaps you can figure out what could be the cause they ignored some information. Is there simply too much or is it not structured enough? What your friend is saying doesn't make sense to me, these people are bound by rules and laws and they cannot just decide to dislike you. That goes for the nation too, they don't just reject people because they don't like them.

The only thing I couldn't make out for sure (am I overlooking it?) is if you provided all the documents about the exams you are going to take and the location where you will take them.

  • Dear Sabastian, thank you for your response. I did included all the documents i-e exam confirmation emails and a visa support letter provided by the MRCP. It is just a one day exam. I agree with you that these people are bound by the law and thats the only reason I am thinking about applying for the third time. Lets hear more from other members if they have anything to say. – Soni Oct 16 '15 at 14:06
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    +1 for pointing out that the friend isn't making sense in these matters – Gayot Fow Oct 17 '15 at 5:12

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