I am applying for the tier 5 Youth Mobility Visa from Canada. I traveled to the Czech Republic in 2012 and was denied a freelance working visa shortly thereafter in 2013. I appealed the decision, only to be refused again. I therefore ended up overstaying my 90 day tourist visa in the course of this. I had no troubles upon leaving the country in December 2013.

The Tier 5 application asks if you have been refused a visa in any other country. It is very obvious on my passport that I was denied-as the visa appointment is stamped in it. Would it be wise to "lose my passport" or just be honest and hope for the best? Will the fact I was denied and overstayed be detrimental to my tier 5 application?

I also traveled throughout the Schengen zone whilst waiting for the appeal to come through-I was under the impression I was still legal whilst waiting for the appeal answer (I'm still unsure if that is true or not). The tier 5 application also requires you to list all the countries you have traveled to in the past 10 years. Since I traveled to many countries (perhaps illegally) will that be further detrimental to my application? I also don't have stamps in my passport for the above travels since I traveled by ground and did not receive stamps. I know that the UK and the Schengen zone do not share information, so how necessary is it to list these travels?

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    The more lying you do, the worse it gets over time. (That's just my 2 cents, however, I don't really have experience with getting visas.) – yo' Nov 10 '14 at 21:36
  • Given that your story does not mention the months in question, it is not at all obvious that you overstayed. You would have been legal, at least within the Czech Republic, while your appeal was pending. Having been refused a visa is a minus for your new application, but nowhere near as bad as an overstay, and an overstay is nowhere near as bad as getting a new passport and lying. – Andrew Lazarus Sep 8 '16 at 17:07

The strategy of concealing an adverse immigration event by 'losing' one's passport and getting a fresh, unblemished passport is a poor one. There is a history associated with the passport that is not accounted for in its physical pages, but rather in computer systems linked to the passport number. And a new passport will contain a record linking it back to the previous one. People still try this strategy, however, and when they get caught the results are catastrophic.

If the UK catches somebody doing this, they will get logged (along with their biometrics) as violating Paragraph 320 of the Immigration Rules. That usually means the person can forget about coming here for a long time, if ever. Plus they will tell the US Department of Homeland Security about it (regardless of your nationality). They keep your biometrics on file for 12 years if you have a clean history, and indefinitely if you fall under Paragraph 320.

For your other question, if the refusal of a work permit in the EU has plays a role in the UK's decision process, the answer is yes, but refusal is not a foregone conclusion and a prior refusal is not a show-stopper. They will need to examine the circumstances of your refusal vis-a-vis changes in your circumstances that they consider remedial. If they conclude that your circumstances have changed, your refusal in the EU will be irrelevant.

Finally, if they find out you overstayed a visa in the EU, they will be upset and entitled to conclude that you do not honour the terms and conditions of visas. Alternatively if you conceal it, matters can become infinitely worse (Paragraph 320 again). Also, if the form asks you straight out for a list of countries you have visited, you should list them.

Overall, if the form asks a question, you should consider it relevant and important and provide as much candour as you can. Paragraph 320 is here https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/370958/20141106_immigration_rules_part_9_final.pdf

If you are worried that your T5 application may be imperilled, you can instruct a UK based specialist to help out. http://www.ilpa.org.uk/pages/find-immigration-advice.html


Never lie on applications.

The stamp in your passport is NOT the only record that you've had your previos attempt rejected, I assure you.

However, having a rejection does not necessarily mean you'll get rejected again. Overstaying visas certainly doesn't help, but I have a friend who overstayed his visa, was caught, and has since been back on a tourist visa - it just required more effort and details in the application.

Countries also share information. A relative had her returning residence visa expire for a country, and upon boarding a flight to there, the departure country could tell this on their system, and she had to spend a day frantically running around sorting out an emergency visa for this.

GIven your situation, and that you've been declined AND have a previous overstaying record, I'd highly recommend speaking to an immigration advice specialist - they'll often be able to help you with the right wording to appease the visa approvers.

Don't leave anything out, don't lie, and don't obscure any details. If you follow the process with the right advice, it prevents any further stuff going wrong. If you're caught lying/ommitting, you're definitely going to have a big black mark on your record after that.

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    One thing I learned is that, visa officers take a REAL good look at your application if there are hints of overstays or any black marks. In Australia, there was a friend who overstayed a visit visa, and he could depart the country without much problems. But his sister,who had a PR there, could not get her citizenship because she sponsored that guy. It's all linked - as Mark Mayo said, be 100% honest and that's your best chance. If your visa is expiring, at least do a visa run. – AKS Nov 11 '14 at 2:18

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