I have a National Railcard which gives me a 33% discount on the Tube, DLR, London Overground, Elizabeth line in off-peak hours. Does this discount apply when taking the Elizabeth line from Heathrow in off-peak hours? If yes, does the discount apply to the price including the 7.30 GBP surcharge or is the surcharge applied in full? If not, does it apply on the Piccadilly line from Heathrow?

EDIT: To clarify, it's a 16-25 Railcard, and I have an Oyster card onto which the railcard discount has been loaded.

  • I suspect the answer is going to be "no", but it would be helpful to know exactly what sort of railcard you have. I've never come across such a thing as a "National Railcard".
    – MadHatter
    Commented Jun 12 at 15:14
  • ...which says "You cannot buy Network Railcard discounted tickets for journeys wholly on the London Underground and Docklands Light Railway. However discounted tickets bought for cross-London rail journeys which involve travel on the London Underground are permitted." The Elizabeth Line isn't considered part of the Underground but of Crossrail. Commented Jun 12 at 16:41
  • Do you have/are you going to get a Oyster card? Commented Jun 12 at 16:48
  • Yes, I have an Oyster card and it's a 16-25 Railcard, sorry for not being clear!
    – kmf
    Commented Jun 13 at 9:49

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For a non-Network Railcard it does apply to the whole journey

You can have a Anytime Day Single between Heathrow rail and Zone 1 for £8.10 as opposed to £12.30 without a railcard

Note that it is 60p cheaper to get a paper ticket compared to using a Oyster card with a registered railcard discount off-peak

On peak, since the ticket can be a Anytime (no off-peak restrictions), it is a lot cheaper (compared to £13.30) to use a paper ticket against Oyster again in the Peak time frames.

If you have a Oyster PAYG Card with your discount loaded, it will also apply to the tube lowering the cost from £5.6 to £3.65

  • Your Anytime Day Single link above is applying a Young Person's Railcard discount, not a Network Railcard discount. It may be that the OP has a YNG, not an NEW, but we'll need him/her to tell us.
    – MadHatter
    Commented Jun 12 at 18:50
  • @MadHatter Editted the intro Commented Jun 12 at 18:56
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    Occasionally I try to understand UK train pricing. Answers like this remind me it is pointless to try. Hats off to those who do. Commented Jun 12 at 21:20
  • I have a 16-25 Railcard and it's loaded on an Oyster card, so it's 3.65 on the Piccadilly and 8.10 on the Elizabeth, right?
    – kmf
    Commented Jun 13 at 9:55
  • @kmf 3.65 on the Pic yes, for the EL it's either 8.6 on Oyster or 8.10 on paper tickets Commented Jun 13 at 11:15

If this railcard is a Network Railcard, the answer is "not really".

The Network Railcard is not valid on Oyster PAYG journeys, or services wholly on London Underground, so you couldn't use it on the Piccadilly Line from Heathrow. You can use it against an Elizabeth Line service, but the minimum fare of £13 for all adult journeys Mon-Fri means that, unless it's a weekend, the discount will be fairly minimal.

  • No such product? Please see National Railcards issued by National Rail, although it offers actual cards of the same types as other vendors. Commented Jun 12 at 18:56
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    @WeatherVane Weirdly enough, the area-limited Network railcard is actually counted as a National Railcard Commented Jun 12 at 19:42
  • @WeatherVane then you might as well say "piece of cardboard", since all the railcards are members of the class "pieces of cardboard" (yes, I know; forget the digital ones for a moment). Yet not all pieces of cardboard offer similar discount structure on rail tickets. I repeat my assertion that there is no single thing called a national railcard, and unless we know which member of the class of products collectively referred to as "national railcards" the OP has, it's no easier to answer than if the OP says (s)he has a piece of cardboard.
    – MadHatter
    Commented Jun 13 at 7:25
  • I apologize for lack of clarity, I specified it's a 16-25 Railcard. I'm used to calling it "National Railcard" for some reason, probably because it's how I had it called the first time I learnt about its existence.
    – kmf
    Commented Jun 13 at 9:56
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    @kmf that's brilliant, thank you for that! Then Nicolas' answer is the right one, and I'm glad to see you've accepted it. I'll leave mine here, though, if that's OK with you, in case anyone wants to know about Network Railcards.
    – MadHatter
    Commented Jun 13 at 10:03

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