Why do some airlines have indemnity forms, even though the ICAO rules state the airlines can recover the costs for removing inadmissible persons? What do the forms add that is not already in the ICAO rules?
Why do some airlines have indemnity forms even though the ICAO rules state the airlines can recover the costs for removing inadmissible persons?
2Probably to warn the passenger and a documentation to show in case of disputes. Explicitly signing such a documents will cause less problems for airlines, I think.– Anish SheelaOct 9, 2022 at 15:13
4From the airline's POV: simplicity. An in-hand document signed by the passenger will ease explanation and facilitate claims processes, as compared to the greater complexity of explaining the Chicago Convention on International Aviation, which gave rise to ICAO's treaty-like obligations.– DavidSupportsMonicaOct 9, 2022 at 15:15
1Related Law question: law.stackexchange.com/questions/55700/…– JonathanReez ♦Oct 9, 2022 at 17:29
1It just simplify all procedures if both of you agree on such terms (and so you get no additional "recovering the costs"). ICAO rules are rules not laws, and so complex: the treaty have relevant authorities on each country, and so airlines should contact them (and maybe through own aviation authority) to contact you for reimbursement. Also airline must write down notes about why they disallowed you, etc. With one form they get paper trail, and ack (and so also less problem on confusing the passenger name).– Giacomo CatenazziOct 10, 2022 at 9:10
Why did a mod close this question as opinion-based?– Franck DernoncourtOct 14, 2022 at 16:58
Because the passenger has a contract with the airline and is not obviously directly bound by an international agreement like the ICAO convention. Furthermore, the 'transportation costs' mentioned in the ICAO convention are usually just a tiny part of the actual costs incurred for the airline, which they will or may try to get back from the passenger (potentially depending on national interpretation of the wording).
I can't find a link to the verdict right now, but in German jurisprudence, courts have acknowledged, that the 'transportation costs' referred to in the ICAO convention only cover the difference in direct costs of the flight compared when flying with and without the deported passenger. That means, that if the airline was only covered by their rights in the ICAO convention without having additional means covered by their T&Cs or additional agreements like these indemnity forms:
They could not demand that the passenger pays for a new ticket for the deporting flight, since the last-minute ticket price in most cases will be much higher than what it actually costs the airline to transport the passenger.
They could not demand reimbursement of costs related to potential fines or the detention of a passenger, since these are not 'transportation costs'.
The extent of the 'transportation costs' was at least discussed in one German court case between Lufthansa and a passenger, where the passenger refused to pay for the fine Lufthansa received for bringing a non-admissible passenger. The court agreed upon the passenger's argumentation that the fine reimbursement was not covered by the wording in the ICAO convention, but it was covered by Lufthansa's T&Cs and with the passage from the T&Cs being legally sound, the court ruled in favour of the airline.
2Thanks! Glad that the question didn't get dosed before you wrote this great answer. Oct 10, 2022 at 11:32
I'll summarize the answers the question received in the comment section:
- warn the passenger
- have a signed documentation to show in case of disputes. A signed waiver provides more definitive proof of knowledge and consent.
- make it easier to read than the ICAO's treaty-like obligations.
- Probably to warn the passenger and a documentation to show in case of disputes. Explicitly signing such a documents will cause less problems for airlines, I think. Anish Sheela 9 hours ago
- From the airline's POV: simplicity. An in-hand document signed by the passenger will ease explanation and facilitate claims processes, as compared to the greater complexity of explaining the Chicago Convention on International Aviation, which gave rise to ICAO's treaty-like obligations. DavidSupportsMonica 9 hours ago
- Related Law question: law.stackexchange.com/questions/55700/… JonathanReez♦ 7 hours a