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I am considered an Italian citizen, but have US nationality and passport (but only an Italian "carta d'identita") Can I travel to Poland with my Italian document?

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    Can you explain the difference between being a cittizen and having the nationality? Ad far as I understand they are the same.
    – Willeke
    Jun 22 at 17:57
  • thanks Mark my card is actually still a paper one but it does say Italian under nationality and nothing about non valida per espatrio. so it is good to go.
    – bonnie
    Jun 22 at 18:30
  • It is not possible to have Italian citizenship without having Italian nationality. It is not possible to have US citizenship without having US nationality. It is possible to have US nationality without having US citizenship. If that describes you then your passport will say as much, but it's extremely unlikely (for example, if you were born in the US then you are a US citizen). From the facts you've given, it seems that you have two citizenships (and two nationalities).
    – phoog
    Jun 22 at 21:16
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    Also, you created two accounts (bonnie lucas and bonnie). You can merge them: travel.stackexchange.com/help/merging-accounts. Once you do that, you can add comments on your own questions.
    – phoog
    Jun 22 at 21:17
  • Are you confusing Italian residence? Or are you stateless (so Italy will provide you a sort of documentation, but not nationality)? Jun 23 at 10:59
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If the carta d'identita contains, in the lower right hand corner, the words:

  • NON VALIDA PER L'ESPATRIO

and under nationality contains anything other than

  • ITA

then you are not an Italian citizen, nor is the card valid outside of Italy and

  • cannot be used for travelling outside of Italy

Italy is one of the few countries that issues an identity card to legal residents.

  • this card has been issued to an Italian citizen
    • but is not valid for travel

  • this card has been issued to an Italian citizen
    • and is valid for travel

Paper version
also possible with NON VALIDA PER L'ESPATRIO stamp

Sources:

PRADO - Public Register of Authentic travel and identity Documents Online

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    I do not see a difference in the two pictures of the ID cards.
    – Willeke
    Jun 23 at 4:01
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    @Willeke Yes, hard to see. Lower right hand corner, above the red stripe and below the id number: is either empty (2nd image) or contains the text: NON VALIDA PER L'ESPATRIO (1st image). Jun 23 at 4:07
  • if it is so not obvious, how is a border official in Poland able to tell? why make such an important distinction so obscure?
    – dlatikay
    Jun 23 at 6:33
  • @dlatikay They would look at the PRADO database (or possibly a non public version thereof) for varification. As to the reason why Italy does it this way? Good question, but one where one will probably never get a real answer to. Jun 23 at 8:02

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