I am a US citizen who got a residence visa for Spain. The Spanish residence visa is valid for 3 month (June 1st to Sep 1st). Such a visa allows you to go to Spain and convert the visa into a residence permit valid for one year.

I went to Spain on 1st of June, stayed for 10 days and then instead of converting the visa into a residence permit I changed my mind about living in Spain and went back to US instead. I stayed in US for 10 days and then went to Germany on a Schengen visa (so, using just my Passport).

I know that on a Schengen visa you can stay 90 days in any 180-day period in Schengen countries, but does the count start from the day I entered Spain or Germany?

In other words, can I stay in Germany for 90 days or 90 days minus the 10 days I stayed in Spain?

Or maybe, maybe I am allowed to stay in Germany under the Spanish residence visa and when that residence visa expires I can stay for another 90 days under the Schengen visa?

  • By "went to Germany on a Schengen visa (so, using just my Passport)", do you mean that you showed your (irrelevant) Spanish national visa, or that you went to Germany without any visa? Jul 30, 2018 at 1:36
  • @HenningMakholm by that I mean that I just showed my passport. I told them I am entering as a tourist in Germany. No mention of the Spanish visa. Jul 30, 2018 at 9:29

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Time spent in Spain authorized by a Spanish national long-stay (type D) visa or residence permit does not count for the 90/180 day clock. Time spent anywhere else in the Schengen area does.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your story, this means that your trip from Spain is excluded from the 90/180 day calculations, but the one to Germany is included.

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