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Is the train in Queens NY considered part of the New York subway? Is it completely above ground level? It looks like it is running along roof tops. What is the history of its construction? Do they build those structures with the anticipation that trains will run on them and then sell or rent the spaces below, or is it built over pre-existing structures and then the owners of the properties below receive some sort of compensation? It's a beautiful system, I'd love to visit it sometime, I'm just curious to know some assorted trivia about the structures.

There might be more than one train system in Queens. I am asking specifically about the one pictured here.

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The photo was found on dreamingofgoingthere.tumblr.com

closed as off-topic by David Richerby, bytebuster, Ali Awan, choster, Giorgio Jun 2 '18 at 2:04

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    I don't see how this is a question about travel. You're asking about the history of a transportation system, and no part of your question is actually about travelling. – David Richerby Jun 1 '18 at 21:08
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    I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is not about travelling. – David Richerby Jun 1 '18 at 21:09
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    @DavidRicherby how is a train not about traveling? – phoog Jun 2 '18 at 1:16
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    @phoog The question has nothing to do with using the train. If this is a travel question, then we should close down Motor Vehicle Maintenance & Repair and move all their questions here because “How is a car not about travelling?” – David Richerby Jun 2 '18 at 12:36
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Yes, that's the subway. According to Wikipedia, about 40% of the system runs on the surface or elevated tracks, even though the entire system is called the subway. Some portions in Queens are underground while others are above ground. Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) also runs through Queens on its own set of tracks, and there are even spots where the subway and LIRR cross on grade separated elevated tracks.

The elevated portions generally run on viaducts above the street. Your picture shows Queens Blvd. where there's nothing more interesting than parking or streets underneath (and stations). Here, with thanks to Michael Seifert, is a street-level view of the area shown in your photo; you can see there's quite a bit of distance between the tracks and nearby buildings. In dense areas, buildings can then be built next to or under these structures, giving the appearance of trains running on rooftops when you look from the right angle. Some cities have used more creative ways of combining retail and rail, such as Hackescher Markt in Berlin.

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    It might be worth pointing out explicitly that the viaduct in your "parking and streets underneath" link is in fact the viaduct shown in the OP's picture; and as can be seen from the street-level view, the train in the picture is not running on any rooftops. – Michael Seifert Jun 1 '18 at 20:17
  • @MichaelSeifert Is it? Haha I was trying to locate it and thought I had it down to Queens Blvd based on context, but wasn't entirely sure because of the angle. – Zach Lipton Jun 1 '18 at 20:20
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    I figured it out by noting the building with the "LaGuardia Community College" sign in the background and searching for that on Google Maps. If you start at the location in your link and go a couple blocks further west on Queens, you'll see the billboard in the lower right of the OP's picture. – Michael Seifert Jun 1 '18 at 20:29
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It is indeed part of the New York City subway. It is the former-IRT "7 Flushing" line.

This line is former IRT and parts were built in coordination of competitor BMT, both private companies unlike the municipally-owned IND. Eventually the city bought out all the subway companies, creating one municipal system.

By the time it was built, lower/mid Manhattan residents had experienced more than enough elevated trains, in particular they were tired of those powered by steam; and they wanted the loud, ugly, filthy things gone. Electrification became possible around 1890, and railroads built in NYC needed to be electrified.

The IRT's claim to fame was that the parts of the line downtown run underground. (which isn't really feasible for steam, although London gave it a serious try.) They switch to elevated structures out in the boroughs where land values are lower, but it remains electrified. This subway section opened first in 1915, and it was extended outward into Queens, finishing 12 years later.

By this time, railroads everywhere saw electrification as "the way to go" if one could afford the significant costs of installation. Those costs are reasonable if the railroad is very short and very busy, as this one is.

The line is 102 years old - older than virtually all of the buildings. If a building had been in the way of building the line, then depending on cost the either the building would be bought out, or the line would be rerouted. Railroads also have power of eminent domain to take property they need, as do cities.

Buildings built under the elevated structures are not unheard of in New York City, but they certainly came after construction. A 1-2 floor building simply would not have enough real estate value to justify the considerable expense of building around a structure.

  • The downtown IRT subway opened in 1904 (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interborough_Rapid_Transit_Company), but does not connect to the Flushing line; passengers have to change trains to get from one to the other. The Flushing line was actually built by the city and operated jointly by the IRT and the BMT under the "dual contracts." See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRT_Flushing_Line#History and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_Contracts. – phoog Jun 1 '18 at 20:36
  • "If a building had been in the way of building the line": they minimized this problem by building the lines over the streets, where there were already no buildings. Even though the present buildings along the line are mostly newer than the line, many of the lots were occupied by older buildings that were present when the line was built and did not need to be demolished for its construction. – phoog Jun 2 '18 at 1:19

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