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Does a deodorant like this enter image description here

count as liquid or gel for purposes of boarding a plane with it as hand luggage? I ask about Germany/EU.

Background: the case of C. Christine Fair, Georgetown professor accused of calling German officers 'Nazi police' in Frankfurt Airport. For her version of events see: enter link description here

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    I don't see what this has to do with the news story you linked, which says "officers found “loosely transported” cosmetic items that weren’t packed in a transparent plastic bag, as required... also too many liquids in Fair’s luggage. Officers suggested she slip her roll-on deodorant in a checked bag instead of the carry-on". There's no mention of a stick deodorant like the one you depict. Even if you are asking about roll-on, the story seems at best marginally relevant; I suggest you remove it from your question, since it makes it unclear what you're asking about. – Pont Feb 3 '18 at 14:08
  • @Pont: I added another source that connects the dots, and put the background info just as a footnote. The picture is now about the deo that triggered the problem. – Quora Feans Feb 3 '18 at 14:20
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    I have a deo like that, (different brand, so I am not completely sure it is the same) and I have chosen to leave it home to avoid problems. If I ever travel with it, it will be in my (almost empty) liquids bag. Never a problem to have something in there which is not a liquid. – Willeke Feb 3 '18 at 14:32
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    @Douglas Held: Which practice? – chirlu Feb 4 '18 at 8:09
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    Oh, I am sorry I wasn't clear. In my observation the practice of considering a wide range of solid items to be "liquid" for the purpose of controlling commercial air transport passengers, is a German practice and not an EU practice. I am commenting on the fact that the question uses an example of something that happened in Germany, and then asks the question more generically whether this treatment is something to do with the EU. – Douglas Held Feb 4 '18 at 12:11
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Short answer: according to EU legislation, a stick deodorant can reasonably be included in the ‘liquids, aerosols and gels’ category.

I think that the relevant legislation in this case is the Commission Implementing Regulation (EU) No 2015/1998 of 5 November 2015 laying down detailed measures for the implementation of the common basic standards on aviation security, which states:

4.0.4 For the purpose of this Annex: (a) ‘liquids, aerosols and gels’ (LAGs) shall include pastes, lotions, liquid/solid mixtures and the contents of pressurised containers, such as toothpaste, hair gel, drinks, soups, syrups, perfume, shaving foam and other items with similar consistencies;

‘Stick deodorant’ isn’t specifically mentioned, so it comes down to an argument as to whether it can be included in one of those categories. I think it could be reasonably claimed that a stick deodorant is a ‘paste’: the Oxford English Dictionary entry for ‘paste’ includes, amongst other senses, ‘Any moist but fairly stiff mixture’, which certainly describes all the stick deodorants I've come across. This particular stick deodorant can also be included under ‘liquid/solid mixtures’: the ingredients of ‘Lady Speed Stick’ include:

elaeis guineensis (palm) kernel oil, stearyl alcohol, cyclomethicone, C12-15 alkyl benzoate, PPG-14 butyl ether, hydrogenated castor oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, PEG-8 distearate, fragrance, hydrolyzed corn starch, behenyl alcohol

Of these, at least cyclomethicone and PPG-14 Butyl ether are liquid at room temperature.

In practice, enforcement seems to vary (as with so many aspects of airport security): this flyertalk thread has a several anecdotes of stick deodorants getting through security, and several others of them not getting through. The bottom line seems to be that it’s a bit of a borderline case, but if the security staff decide that it’s a ‘liquid, aerosol, or gel’ then there’s no solid legal basis on which to dispute this.

(As a side note, it doesn’t seem entirely clear that the item under dispute was a stick deodorant: the airport police and Washington Post both describe it as a ‘roll-on’. But then, that’s far from the only point where accounts of the incident diverge.)

  • Amen to this. I missed a departure in Berlin because of a block of rock-hard "Scherzeep" - a shaving soap which was in a tin. The security officer remarked when challenged him, tapping the material with my finger, "It is a cosmetic." – Douglas Held Feb 3 '18 at 21:24
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According to the TSA

Stick deodorant is fine in any size.

Gel deodorant and aerosol/spray deodorants must be 3.4 oz or less

Heathrow airport says

Can I carry lipstick and deodorant in my hand baggage?

You can take solid cosmetics, such as standard lipsticks or stick deodorants, in your hand baggage.

With separate rules for liquids, aerosols and gels.

An airline example - Cathay Pacific

The following items, intended for use during your trip, can be carried in hand baggage in quantities above 100ml, provided they are presented for inspection at security.

...

o Non-liquid cosmetics, like lipsticks, powder foundation and solid deodorant

In example for an airport in France - Bordeaux airport

AM I ALLOWED TO TAKE A LIPSTICK IN MY HANDBAG? Yes, all "solid" cosmetics (like lipsticks, powder, blush, eye shadow ...) are allowed in the cabin and are not included in the security measures. However, gloss (liquid lipstick), a tube of foundation or mascara are subject to restrictions.

However, as with everything in these days of airport security theatre, your mileage may vary.

  • In one airport I have seen the warning "if you can spread it, smear it or poor it, it is a liquid". There are several kinds of deodorant sticks and some can certainly be spread. (Others only work when made wet with water.) – Willeke Feb 4 '18 at 11:13
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    @Willeke It's a lottery. I was at the airport yesterday with SSSS on my boarding pass. They wanted to scan my electronics so I gave them my laptop and phone, but they didn't bother to look in my bag where I had 4 other phones a kindle and a tablet. It's all nonsense – Berwyn Feb 4 '18 at 11:32
  • @Berwyn Just me being stupid .. I was replying to your lottery comment and didn't see that you had already mentioned it in your answer. My comment .. going .. going .. gone. – Peter M Feb 4 '18 at 19:09

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