I am an Indian citizen. My spouse and I applied for a UK visit visa on 29/11/2017 and re-applied on 14/12/2017 with tourism as the purpose. We were refused both times. I feel the ECOs are very inconsiderate and unfair.

I wish to bring to your notice that I earlier lived and worked in the United Kingdom from 2003 to 2007. Now kindly go through the concerns of the ECO in the following notices of refusal followed by my replies to their refusal.

Refusal Notice1

Refusal Notice2

Refusal Notice3

Refusal Notice4

After getting this refusal notice I stood up and gave them answers in my cover letter, with a new visa application, because I knew I was genuinely seeking entry and my intention was very clear in visiting the UK. Here is my cover letter which gave answers of their concerns/objections.

Cover Letter1

Cover Letter2

Cover Letter3

Cover Letter4

Now please can someone tell me where I went wrong or what else I should have done to satisfy the ECO? Every time they are coming up with new concerns. I am terribly disappointed and frustrated. Please help me out and explain what should have I done.

I can't post the second notice of refusal as it is not allowing me to post more than 8 links without having a reputation of 10 or more. I don't know, I am a new user. I can mail that if you like.

Do I have any merit to apply ever in the future? How do I change the circumstance other than my financial status? After all, I cannot go back in time and change what happened unknowingly and unwillingly.

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    They got you on the work visa, and you aren't understanding their argument - work visas can be tied to a particular job, and the visa expires if either the expiry date is reached or you leave the job. You left the job. The visit you made in 2009 was therefore made on a visa which was no longer valid, you should have applied for another visa.
    – user29788
    Dec 22, 2017 at 4:43
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    @Moo this should be an answer. I am surprised Mr Raut was able to enter the UK in 2009.
    – user16259
    Dec 22, 2017 at 6:17
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    @greatone the counter argument is that the visa holder should know the terms of their visa, and are lawfully obligated to abide by those terms. The Home Office records may not have been updated until after the 2009 trip (the HO may have contacted the employer to ensure the visa was renewed), but that doesn't mean the visa was valid - leaving the job automatically invalidates the visa, no notification is needed. Yes, this means there is a loophole where an ECO may admit a person under an invalid visa, but that just puts the visa holder in the wrong, it doesn't overrule the terms of the visa.
    – user29788
    Dec 22, 2017 at 6:49
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    @greatone you are saying that an ECO knowingly allowed someone to enter the country on an invalid visa...? You are going to have to point out where an assumption was made in the refusal letters with regard to the issue I highlight.
    – user29788
    Dec 22, 2017 at 9:09
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    @AbhijeetRaut then my comments stand - you screwed up. Big time. And these refusals are the result. When it comes to visas, you read the conditions - in detail, and you get legal help if yout do not understand them. That's your obligation - if you don't want to do it, don't take on the visa. So you ended up lying to the ECO through omission, which has already been proven in UK court as a bad thing when it comes to immigration. You should never have attempted to visit the Uk on that visa in 2009 - the fact that the ECO let you in without knowing all the facts does not make it OK.
    – user29788
    Dec 23, 2017 at 11:18

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First, you should look up what they refused you for. The refusal note says Appendix V4.2(a) and (c). The corresponding rules for visitors can be found on the websites of the Home Office. The paragraphs relevant for you read:

V 4.2 The applicant must satisfy the decision maker that they are a genuine visitor. This means that the applicant:
(a) will leave the UK at the end of their visit; and
(b) […]; and
(c) is genuinely seeking entry for a purpose that is permitted by the visitor routes (these are listed in Appendices 3, 4 and 5); and […]

This already gives you a big clue that they are not all too concerned about your finances (that would be V4.2(e)).

Now, let’s look at this with the eyes of the ECO. He sees that you have entered the UK in 2009. He proceeds to check what entitled you to enter then. He finds out that while you had a work visa, that expired 14 months after your employment ended. There are no records of other visas. Thus, you entered the UK illegally.

You claim that your visa has a date printed on it meaning it was valid until the end of December 2009. But it is irrelevant what date is printed on the visa if it is tied to your employment. I did not find the relevant paragraphs while skimming across some parts of the immigration rules but I am positive that this is stated somewhere. (Reasoning: the Home Office has no reason to make up rules.) Therefore, your single defense crumbled away.

They probably let you in at the airport in 2009 because they just looked at the date and did not check the record whether you were still employed.

Under the basis of your previous illegal entry, the ECO will assume (and has every right and requirement to do so) that you will go underground once you arrive, attempt to seek illegal employment (V4.2(c)) and overstay (V4.2(a)). The ties to your home country you showed were deemed not strong enough. That is the point you want to fix and my gut feeling tells me you want to be represented by an established solicitor if you want to reapply. Otherwise, you may well fall into a serial refusals chain.

Please also see the question I am about to link your’s as a duplicate of.

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    There was no illegal entry. Illegal entry is entry without leave. The OP entered legally and appeared at an immigration point where he was legally allowed to enter.
    – user58558
    Dec 22, 2017 at 9:06
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    @greatone you are the one making assumptions now...
    – user29788
    Dec 22, 2017 at 9:38

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