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While planning to sail the open seas and visiting other countries, I have decided to take a personal firearm. Owning and carrying a personal firearm is legal in my home state. What would be the proper procedures upon entering ports around the world. Could I expect my firearm to be confiscated permanently? Temporarily? Would having a lockable firearm safe aboard be acceptable?

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Agreeing with @NateEldredge, I strongly suggest that you remove everything starting from "How thorough can I expect a search to be?" up through the end of the question as it stands now. –  Aleks G Jul 12 '14 at 21:24
While the question is valid, I second the opinion of Nate and Aleks. Remove the offending section of your question about hiding weapons on board. –  Thorsten S. Jul 12 '14 at 22:12
@Cody, I reworded your question. Hopefully you'll be ok with the changes. Some of the facts you gave are, IMO, irrelevant to the meat of the question. Hopefully this rewording will satisfy the complaints given above, which I agreed with. –  CGCampbell Jul 12 '14 at 23:48
I was away from the computer for most of the day after posting the question so thank you to the person who changed it so that it fit within the guidelines of the forum. I wasn't trying to come off as a criminal trying to get away with something. I worded my question the way I did because I wanted people to know that where I come from carrying a firearm is an important tradition that I would like to not have to surrender while traveling. I was also curious about what consequences I could expect for trying to "hide" it if I did. Just trying to learn the protocol I can expect to see. –  Cody Jul 13 '14 at 5:01
Well, as most of the rest of the world does not have our 'right to bear arms,' it will be very likely that you'll have to surrender (the right) it while traveling. –  CGCampbell Jul 13 '14 at 15:06

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As owner of a yacht there is no problem. I have been in contact with Bobby Schenk, a well-known German open-sea sailor who writes about problems on board, in your case firearms.

As owner of your boat the relevant law for possessing and storing weapons is your country of origin, in your case USA, more specifically your state law. I suppose you have all relevant documents like firearms certicate etc. etc. They will be needed.

After traveling into a port you will get a formular with an entry "Firearms". There you declare all your firearms (and ammunition, whatever). The next step depends on the given country.

  • Some countries confiscate the weapons and ammunition and store them until you leave the port again. There is no country which won't give them out again, even Japan and UK.

  • Some countries simply seal the weapons so they can see if the weapon was used, but it remains on board.

  • Some countries simply say: "Do not take it from board and keep it safe !". Nothing more.

If you hide a gun on board and it will be found, you are in deep trouble. This can and will be judged (rightfully !) as gun running, your boat will be very likely confiscated and you face severe penalties. There is simply no reason to do it.

I think I do not need to explain that you are bound by the laws of the country in which your port is => No weapons outside the boat.

For firearms itself: Against a speedboat with a dozen heavily armed pirates resistance is futile, but against one or several poor (meaning: no money) stragglers who are lightly armed firearms may be a necessity. Hand guns are not recommended: In panic and fear you will not be able to get exact shots, even on the torso. Then again, even if you hit them with deadly force, they could be fully able to retaliate or reach you for a few seconds or even a minute (!) on a very constricted space. The standard option is a pump-action shotgun with buckshots, but the buckshots must have plastic cartridges because paper cartridges swell on board and cause jamming.

EDIT: I see that I must dispel myths.

The first one is stop believing Hollywood Bullshit where one MAN fights an entire army and wins. This is complete and utter crap. We have known pirate areas in Colombia, Lagos, Somalia and Indonesia and these are the pirates I mean with "speedboat attack". These types enter well-armed container ships driving under full speed and gaining millions by blackmailing and dealing stolen goods. The win will be invested for better equipment. They are equipped with fully automatic AK-47/AK-74 assault rifles, RPG-7 rocket propelled grenade launchers and some have even the M2 machine gun. While these types of pirates are targeting container ships they do not mind entering yachts. Yachties either evade these areas or are sailing after warships. If you still do not believe, ask someone from the Navy what he/she thinks about your beliefs.

The other myth is that there should be no weapons on board. There is no police at international waters which you can ask for help, you are completely on your own. And then are those guys which are poor and without gun, but have a knife or machete and intend to rob or kill you. You do not need to use a gun, simply showing it from the distance means that the game is over, they will be dead if they continue. The time you actually use your gun will be e.g. to kill a shark which locked his jaws into your rudder or to give acoustic signals (Your fellows are swimming, out of earshot and not looking in your direction).

If you have for whatever reason no gun and need to throw back an attack, Molotov cocktails are the best improvised weapon you have.

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However, I would disagree with you about resistance against a dozen armed pirates in a speed boat. Those people are notoriously bad shots and often carry poorly maintained weapons that are rusted and waiting to break down. My weapon would be in prime condition and my aim far more deadly, even at sea. And if I'm wrong, those people are cowards. They prey upon those from whom they expect no resistance. Give them some resistance, and I bet they would not consider it worth their time. –  Cody Jul 13 '14 at 5:05
@Cody Try not to assume that other people from other cultures think about things in the same way that you do. If the people attacking you and your boat are under the belief that their god has already pre-ordained the outcome of your encounter, you might get a short and deadly surprise. Leave the gun at home and just avoid the places where such things happen. There are countless wonderful cruising destinations offering no such risks. –  DaveP Jul 13 '14 at 12:16
And keep in mind that, depending on the country, even if you shoot for self-defense you can get in a lot of troubles (e.g. the case of Italian marines that are currently held in India for doing their work against pirates). –  Bakuriu Jul 13 '14 at 13:32
@Cody this comment worries me. Are you actually going on cruise, or the whole point of your voyage is to hope to get attacked by pirates in order to be able to legally shoot at them? –  o0'. Jul 13 '14 at 14:41
@DJClayworth No, it is not disproved. First, we are talking about bluewater cruising, living on a ship and sailing over the oceans. That is a miniscule part of all sailors which are sailing for fun and move only short distances from their home country. As the most part of sailors consists of first-world countries (because only they could buy a boat), the sailing areas are safe (and yes, in that case I agree, you do not need a gun). This says nothing about the danger involved in bluewater sailing. But interesting point: What exactly is the reference you would accept ? –  Thorsten S. Jul 14 '14 at 15:49

I will not comment of the legality of sailing into foreign ports with a gun as I am not qualified to pontificate.

I can say that if I was making an internation voyage from my original state/country, Texas or Florida, then I would definitely get legal in my state and carry the docs and a very small, inexpensive amory onboard IF my destination warranted it....say like sailing throught Southern parts of El Caribe.

I would like to add two points but they are opinion, mine, not supported by anything else.

1a) If I was entering a country and port that I had no good information on the legal status of firearms onboard then I would consider stashing them safely on an island along the way before entering those waters with the intent to retreive on my exit from those waters.

1b) If I felt I need to have the weapons even entering those waters then maybe I should have chosen a better place to resupply.

1c) I would have the weapons in a weighted bag and ready to ditch as I approached an gun unfriendly country/port like Mexico for instance, accepting that the cost of being safe on my trip was the cost of ditching the weapons before entering the port or being boarded. Of course I would not throw them overboard in view of the authorities. Ditching $600 bucks in weapons and ammo is a small expense on a long trip and it sure beats spending years in prison such as Mexico.

2) I felt obligated to comment on someone's statement to staff a pump shotgun with only buckshot. I could not disagree more with this statement. Buckshot is only lethal at about 25 yards [and good luck with that], do you really want an motivated pirate to get that close before they feel your rath? Now my solution will turn some off because the mentality of boats is you only take one of everything due to space etc. I would carry two shotguns and not mess with a handgun. One shotgun would be loaded with buckshot for close in effect and quick delivery to create hell on earth before their eyes and in their ears; I would also consider loaded the first shell with rubber shot so I get one chance to convince someone to leave before I kill someone. The other shotgun would be choked and loaded with slugs and I would have a laser sight on it so that I could get some accuracy at range. I would have my ammo in bandalero style belt so I could quickly take a position and operate my weapons until resolution of the conflict. When the pirate sees you are prepared and executing in professional manner they will take stock of that....and hopefully decide to pick on weaker prey. Whether is be truth or fantasy, there is a strong prejudice that any given American is some type of ex-military...why? because they watch the fantasy movies that come out of Hollywood and they constantly bombarded by stories of Americans going around the world killing people with their military might and 200 bases throughout the world..duh! If you don't think the world doesn't notice this stuff then you are truly self-delusional. A slug shotgun can blow a hole the size of an orange in a boat hull at 50 yards and is still lethal at 75 yards... or more. Buckshot would get a laugh at 75 yards from a criminal unless they're not packing. A slug blowing a hole in a boat at or below waterline is ten times the better solution that fighting to the death. A pirate in a boat long away from land does not want to take a hole that size in this boat because if he fails to take you he knows he is probably dead if that boat goes down.

3) I also would prefer to have a conversation with some foreign cop explaining my shotguns which cannot easily be concealed vs. a handgun which are considered guns 'to be concealed' therefore can recieve similar prejudice.

I think that if you are travelling with a woman or children, simply ask politely the foreign officer "Would you sail these waters without a weapon to protect your family?" and beg for his understanding and surely don't think you have any 'right' to anything... you don't and they will not appreciate a foreigner claiming anything.

sorry for typos

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One of everything, except GPS!! –  nsn Jun 21 at 21:38

Don't do it. As long as you stay within American waters, you are ok (I suggest keeping a copy of your gun permit with you). While you are in international waters, you are probably still ok. However as soon as you cross a border into any other country, you are bound by laws of that country. If by the laws of those countries you are not allowed to own/carry/conceal a firearm, then no matter how you store it you will be breaking the law. The repercussions may be extremely severe - for example, in Japan up to 10 years in prison plus 1 million yen fine (about $10,000).

To answer your question about customs searches, there is no rule. In some cases you may not be search at all, in other cases they will turn the entire boat inside out - and sometimes in the same country. If you have something illegal (and a gun will likely be illegal in those countries), the chances are that it will be found and you will suffer the consequences. Therefore I strongly recommend to leave your gun at home if you are planning to travel internationally.

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