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I can totally understand someone reclining his seat on a long-distance flight. On a short hop, I don't have any sympathy for anyone using his "right" to recline his seat. The seat pitch on short flights these days make you an anti-social person by default, if you choose to recline. I had my share of not being able to even drink a cup of coffee because somebody just wanted to "rest".

I usually try to reposition my legs as much as possible, not only because I have to, but also to try to make the journey as unpleasant for the rester, as it is for me. In away that is just childish behaviour, so I am wondering if there are more effective and more civilized counter measures to make the flight pleasant for both of us.

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The commercial answer is to pay for business or first class. –  mouviciel Sep 2 '13 at 7:18
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Cramming more seats into the same are makes the airline anti-social. Jamming your knees in someone's back 'to make a point' marks you as childish. +1 to mouviciel, or looking for flights on less crowded airlines, or ... (see others' comments). –  hunter2 Sep 2 '13 at 7:56
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I think it's rude for people to refuse to let you to recline. Everyone's paid for their seats, and if you really have a problem with leg space, then buy premium economy or a higher class ticket. Or try to check-in and get seats near bulkheads. –  Ankur Banerjee Sep 2 '13 at 8:52
    
@AnkurBanerjee It is not about refusing people to recline, it is about making people being aware they are actually rude by just reclining without notice. –  andra Sep 2 '13 at 11:23
    
Many airlines now allow you to pay for bulkhead or exit row seats now. I do it pretty much every flight these days. That said, I'm really for not allowing seats to recline and letting everyone have equal comfort. –  Andrew Sep 20 '13 at 15:32
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So, there are two mechanical solutions to, what is, fundamentally social problem, but before I provide them, I want to make clear that employing these is an easy way to be regarded as a jerk by your fellow passengers, and not without merit; the seat is designed to recline, and while putting it back can be inconsiderate, restricting the use of the feature by others can be just as inconsiderate on a long flight. Think long and hard about just how much of an asshole you are willing to be before attempting to block the passenger in front of you from taking what small comfort they can in the horrid conditions found in coach class on a commercial airliner.

First, the commercial solution: The Knee Defender. A small device that clips onto the arms supporting the tray table, when the clip is in place, the seat in front of you is unable to recline. It can be adjusted to allow for limited recline, if you're feeling considerate, but the 'courtesy card' provided by the manufacturer should be pretty clear evidence that this is inherently a pretty inconsiderate product.

Knee Defender Courtesy Card

If, in addition to being a jerk, you're also a cheapskate, you might want to look into using a water bottle or other, similarly sized rigid object as a shim to prevent the seat in front of you from reclining. Like the Knee Defender, this has the downside of requiring that you keep your tray table down to rescue your precious legroom, and, unlike the Knee Defender, also will take up some space on the tray table, which may or may not bother you. It is similarly inconsiderate to use.

Alternately, you could be less of a jerk, and pay the often pretty nominal premium to get a bulkhead facing/exit row seat, where nobody is in front of you to recline.

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:) I like the courtesy card, especially the "If you would like to recline your seat this much ..., please let me know". If only that would be a default announcement. –  andra Sep 2 '13 at 5:38
    
I can imagine that this might be against 'the rules' to use. 'The rules' being either the airline's rules, the FAA (or equivalent) regs, or a combination. Installing unauthorized, unlicensed, unregulated personal equipment on a commercial airline should open you up to a whole lot of liability issues. –  hunter2 Sep 2 '13 at 7:44
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@hunter2 The FAA has said the Knee Defender is okay, though several commercial airlines have forbidden them. –  LessPop_MoreFizz Sep 2 '13 at 13:45
    
OK, good note. It seems plausible to me that if they've explicitly said that, they've confirmed that it 'fails well', and is unlikely to result in injury (even when broken/'abused') - something they could not confirm with impromptu methods (bottle). –  hunter2 Sep 3 '13 at 4:30
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No, you do not have any right to stop the person in front from reclining, and yes, it's childish behaviour on your part to try to stop them. Everybody on a plane has the right to recline their own seat, and flight attendants can and will enforce this if asked.

You put "rest" in quotation marks, but maybe they really do need to recline: they might be sick, connecting from a 17-hour flight spent next to a screaming baby, any number of things that are really none of your business. I've reclined and slept like a baby on a short-hop SFO-PHX flight... because I just flew in from NRT and didn't manage to sleep a wink.

The one useful thing you can do to create a bit more space for yourself is to recline your own seat.

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If somebody asks how many minutes they should zap their babies in a microwave to dry them after a bath, it's still a correct answer to tell them not to do it... –  jpatokal Sep 2 '13 at 2:01
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Ok, the OP knows that and he asked for methods to "make the flight pleasant for both of us". He is not saying that people should not rest or people do not have the right to rest... –  MeNoTalk Sep 2 '13 at 2:04
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Anyway, I agree with you in everything you said. FYI, cabin crew are not allowed to ask people to put their seats in upright positions just to please the passenger behind. Unless it is landing or take off :) –  MeNoTalk Sep 2 '13 at 2:07
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Note that while food is being served flight attendants usually ask people to put their chairs upright, so eating isn't usually a problem. –  DJClayworth Sep 2 '13 at 3:05
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Your original question said nothing about communication? If this is your actual concern, there's an extremely simple solution: ask the person in front to tell you before they recline. –  jpatokal Sep 2 '13 at 5:32
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Lifehacker actually has a post about ways to find out which seats are actually non-reclining, so that you can try and book the seats behind them.

A similar article of theirs shows the (meaner) option of blocking the seat with something like a water bottle.

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(from gawkerassets)

There's the aforementioned Knee Defender, as well, but that's where you start getting controversial, and indeed Northwest, American, and Continental Airlines have banned it.

It helps to remember that nobody is comfortable in economy class, tempers are short, and purposefully preventing someone from reaching that little bit of comfort they believe they're entitled to by reclining may cause a response from them which you may not enjoy...

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@uncovery I didn't mean that it's less controversial, just that some airlines ban the Knee Defender, but they don't ban bottles. Note that I did indicate in my final paragraph that it may not be the best idea to use these responses, and my first suggestion was to look for seats without this problem. –  Mark Mayo Sep 2 '13 at 6:35
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"... nobody is comfortable in economy class": Whenever I start thinking I'm uncomfortable in economy class and I just stop for a moment and think how lucky I am to be a member of the jet set at all and remember I chose to spend my limited income on economy airline seats rather than cigarettes like other low income earners I know. We're pretty spoiled compared to most of the other seven billion people around if this is what we have to complain about. –  hippietrail Sep 2 '13 at 7:41
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"believe they're entitled" .. are entitled. People who have paid for a seat that is designed to recline have paid for that entitlement. // Could be more controversial - if I slam a lot of weight against a KD, hopefully it will hold or 'fail gracefully' (hopefully ...). If I do that to this 'hack', what do you reckon will happen? And who is liable, then? –  hunter2 Sep 2 '13 at 7:50
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If only @hippietrail could make his comment into an answer, I would make it the accepted answer. –  andra Sep 2 '13 at 8:04
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@hippietrail obviously. But that's comparing apples and oranges. I'm very grateful to be able to travel by plane, and I willingly buy the cheapest seat available, because I'd rather spend my money on other stuff. But if you survey an economy class of passengers after LHR->HKG->AKL, very few of them will be feeling terribly comfortable, was my point. But yes, comfort is relative, #firstworldproblems, and all that. –  Mark Mayo Sep 2 '13 at 11:02
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I just came across "The etiquette of seatbacks and elbow room" It nicely answers the OP. I would suggest to read the full blog, but the ettiquete is outlined as follows:

  1. Look Before You Lie Back
  2. Use Only What You Need
  3. Mealtime: Sit Up Straight
  4. For red-eye flights: " I say equip planes with a third light next to the "seatbelt" and "no smoking" lights: "Seat backs down.""

The blog then continues what to do if you are the victim of an instant recliner:

  1. When the person in front of you leaves his seat, nudge the seat back up a little on the sly. Don't be too obvious -- if he doesn't notice (or even if he does), you may reclaim some of your personal space for the duration of the flight.
  2. If the person in front of you blasts her seat back and then proceeds to buck in her seat against your knees, you may need to use similar body English to reclaim some of that space. I'm not encouraging you to become a "seat-kicker," but sometimes you gotta make the case in terms the other guy will understand. If she's slamming against your knees...
  3. Politely request that she put her seat back up slightly.

Personally I think this blog nicely covers the issue form both perspective.

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One thing to do is to ask for a new seat. Some airplanes may have a few "extras," and give you some choice of seats.

Even if there are no "new seats," the fact that you asked puts the airline on notice that there is a problem. If they're at all on the ball, the cabin crew will talk to the other passenger and try to work out something between the two of you.

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